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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 6730405" data-attributes="member: 6790260">It is perfectly true to say that Fighters get "two extra feats," eventually--but, IMO, that's a somewhat...not "misleading," but...aggrandized way of looking at it. It front-loads the concept, when it's really very, very back-loaded.Fighters are a feat ahead at 6th level: two levels later, they get a second-tier pick (since there are few builds that get anywhere near as much benefit from a third feat, and Fighters don't have a core secondary stat like Rangers or Paladins do) at level 8, when everyone else is finishing their first-tier stuff (whether it be maxed prime stat, two feats, or a feat and an ASI). Fighters then remain "one ASI/feat ahead," which has diminishing marginal utility as more are gained, until 14th level when the next ASI/feat comes in. But at that point, even the non-Fighter has 3 ASI/feats, which allows maxed prime stat and a powerful feat (like GWM or SS). The Fighter can thus max a secondary stat that has little to no impact on their mechanical abilities (arguable, I guess, if that stat is Con, since a total of +28 HP isn't bad) or pick up a feat or two that gives benefits vastly inferior to most 1st level spells (Actor vs. disguise self being a pretty serious example*, but arguably Inspiring Leader vs. heroism).Part of the real problem with "but it [eventually] has extra feats!" is that, while feats are (allegedly) "bigger" in 5e, I find them often either "boring but powerful" or "interesting but weak." Lucky, GWM, SS, PM, Resilient (Con, for casters, of course)...boring but powerful. Athlete, Actor, Linguist, Keen Mind...interesting, even awesomely so, but weak.*Disguise self is a pretty egregious example here because, by the time a Fighter is getting to their second more-quickly-gained feat (that is, the point at which they're hitting the maximum number of feats available to most classes, and thus actually getting "more feats than anyone else can have"), a Warlock has been running around with Mask of Many Faces for (potentially) 12 levels, and that absolutely blows Actor out of the water.</blockquote>

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