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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Garnfellow" data-source="post: 1945966" data-attributes="member: 1223">I don't think you're being dense at all . . . the rules are not at all crystal clear or intuitive here, and the matter is compounded by the lack of any good examples outside of the ELH itself.Deities and Demigods, the Epic Level Handbook, and the Book of Vile Darkness (with all the archfiends) were all released within six months or so of each other. And at the time, WotC was soundly (and I think, rightfully) criticized for failing to build any serious rule synergy between those three books. So you had things like greater gods of magic with only 20 levels of wizard, quasi-deities without divine abilities, and 50 HD monsters without any epic feats.As other folks have noted, racial HD do not follow Epic progression rules at all. Presumably, any monster with more than 20 HD can take epic feats, and this is the only really place where "epicness" makes a difference. But there is almost no precedent for outfitting 21+ HD monsters with epic feats, despite the large number of WotC monsters in the MMII, Fiend Folio, and MMIII that meet this criteria. (I /think/ there may be a sidebar on one of the demons from the Fiend Folio suggesting some epic feat substitutions.) It’s too bad, since several epic feats would be very useful for any big baddie: Blinding Speed, Devastating Critical, Dire Charge, Epic Toughness, Improved Combat Reflexes, and Superior Initiative.</blockquote>