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<blockquote data-quote="jlhorner1974" data-source="post: 625097" data-attributes="member: 8628">This may go off the topic a bit, but I'm interested more in balance than house-ruling something...Piratecat, I'm interested in your opinions.&nbsp; You say that you don't feel that the Sacred Fist infringes on the Monk's territory.&nbsp; I don't disagree with you, but I'm interested in hearing why you think that.I'm playing a Monk NPC in a campaign I DM, and in the future, I'm actually considering taking Sacred Fist just for the No Shadow Blows ability (which I believe grants unarmed attacks an enhancement bonus equal to the character's Wis mod).&nbsp; This really cuts through DR and pumps up to-hit and damage, and it's even effective in anti-magic, since I believe it is (Ex) and not (Su).I always thought No Shadow Blows suited the monk better than an unarmed monk/cleric mix like the sacred fist is.&nbsp; I think the Monk is great but the monk lacks a lot of killer abilities above 13th level (possibly except for Quivering Palm).&nbsp; The Ki Strike I think is a little lame.&nbsp; Not getting it at all until 10th level and then maxing out at +3 at 16th level?&nbsp; It seems like this was done intentionally by the designers to balance more attacks with high unarmed damage by high level monks.&nbsp; But it still kind of cripples monks (both the lack of + to hit and damage, as well as how many levels the monk needs to affect creatures with high DR).&nbsp; Sure, there are amulets of mighty fists, but they weren't around when the monk was developed.&nbsp;&nbsp; And why include Ki strike at all if it is expected t hat the Monk will be using some sort of magic item to give magical enhancements to unarmed attacks?Also, the sacred fist, who also gets spells, is able to bypass DR (via the puissant fists ability) much faster than a monk who has no spellcasting and is much more combat-focused.&nbsp; Granted, sacred fist does less unarmed damage and lacks the UBAB of a monk, but still, something doesn't seem quite right.Has anyone considered making some kind of Sacred Fist-like PrC more aligned toward the Monk?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jlhorner1974, post: 625097, member: 8628"] This may go off the topic a bit, but I'm interested more in balance than house-ruling something... Piratecat, I'm interested in your opinions. You say that you don't feel that the Sacred Fist infringes on the Monk's territory. I don't disagree with you, but I'm interested in hearing why you think that. I'm playing a Monk NPC in a campaign I DM, and in the future, I'm actually considering taking Sacred Fist just for the No Shadow Blows ability (which I believe grants unarmed attacks an enhancement bonus equal to the character's Wis mod). This really cuts through DR and pumps up to-hit and damage, and it's even effective in anti-magic, since I believe it is (Ex) and not (Su). I always thought No Shadow Blows suited the monk better than an unarmed monk/cleric mix like the sacred fist is. I think the Monk is great but the monk lacks a lot of killer abilities above 13th level (possibly except for Quivering Palm). The Ki Strike I think is a little lame. Not getting it at all until 10th level and then maxing out at +3 at 16th level? It seems like this was done intentionally by the designers to balance more attacks with high unarmed damage by high level monks. But it still kind of cripples monks (both the lack of + to hit and damage, as well as how many levels the monk needs to affect creatures with high DR). Sure, there are amulets of mighty fists, but they weren't around when the monk was developed. And why include Ki strike at all if it is expected t hat the Monk will be using some sort of magic item to give magical enhancements to unarmed attacks? Also, the sacred fist, who also gets spells, is able to bypass DR (via the puissant fists ability) much faster than a monk who has no spellcasting and is much more combat-focused. Granted, sacred fist does less unarmed damage and lacks the UBAB of a monk, but still, something doesn't seem quite right. Has anyone considered making some kind of Sacred Fist-like PrC more aligned toward the Monk? [/QUOTE]

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