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<blockquote data-quote="jlhorner1974" data-source="post: 625873" data-attributes="member: 8628">Good analysis Apok.&nbsp; I think you have hit on the crux of what the difference between monks and Sacred Fist.The combination of Monk defensive/survival abilities and the raw offensive power of the sacred fist is a powerful combo indeed.I'd like to blend a couple of the powerful Sacred Fist abilities (No Shadow Blows) with more monklike defensive specials would be cool. I would probably not include Sacred Flame, Inner Armor, or Spells, since they seem to be the defining tenets of the PrC, while the &quot;Mental stat adds to combat prowess&quot; idea has precedence elsewhere (Zen archery, that other badass OA PrC near the back of the book...)I will probably create a post in house rules and link to it from here after I define a class concept to tie the abilities together.Quick question: How well does No shadow blows compare in power to Quivering palm?&nbsp; I think No shadow blows is a bit more powerful since it has a lot more use compared to Quivering Palm, but giving up Quivering Palm should be worth something.&nbsp; In a sense, it would be like swapping out QP for NSB (and probably giving up something else to balance it).&nbsp; Of course, I believe you can get NSB as early as 13th level and QP not until 15th. &nbsp;(And what's up with that OA PrC that adds Int to attack bonus and damage at 1st level of the PrC??)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jlhorner1974, post: 625873, member: 8628"] Good analysis Apok. I think you have hit on the crux of what the difference between monks and Sacred Fist. The combination of Monk defensive/survival abilities and the raw offensive power of the sacred fist is a powerful combo indeed. I'd like to blend a couple of the powerful Sacred Fist abilities (No Shadow Blows) with more monklike defensive specials would be cool. I would probably not include Sacred Flame, Inner Armor, or Spells, since they seem to be the defining tenets of the PrC, while the "Mental stat adds to combat prowess" idea has precedence elsewhere (Zen archery, that other badass OA PrC near the back of the book...) I will probably create a post in house rules and link to it from here after I define a class concept to tie the abilities together. Quick question: How well does No shadow blows compare in power to Quivering palm? I think No shadow blows is a bit more powerful since it has a lot more use compared to Quivering Palm, but giving up Quivering Palm should be worth something. In a sense, it would be like swapping out QP for NSB (and probably giving up something else to balance it). Of course, I believe you can get NSB as early as 13th level and QP not until 15th. (And what's up with that OA PrC that adds Int to attack bonus and damage at [B]1st level[/B] of the PrC??) [/QUOTE]

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