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<blockquote data-quote="Evhelm" data-source="post: 6478483" data-attributes="member: 6781294"><p>Technically speaking, that all sounds correct. In <em>theory</em> a Rogue <em>can</em> do this, but a close reading of the relevant passage from p.60 of the PBR may yield very different results in practice. (Note, I'm definitely not saying <em>will</em> yield a different result, but it does seem less likely when given the context of the Hide skill!)</p><p></p><p>"You can’t hide from a creature that can see you, and if you make noise (such as shouting a warning or knocking over a vase), you give away your position...In combat, most creatures stay alert for signs of danger all around, so if you come out of hiding and approach a creature, it usually sees you. However, under certain circumstances, the Dungeon Master might allow you to stay hidden as you approach a creature that is distracted, allowing you to gain advantage on an attack before you are seen."</p><p></p><p>I'd read that as "there are certain circumstances where, while still in initiative, a Rogue who had been in combat with some enemies may take the Hide action successfully." Off the cuff, I'd say those are probably times when there are two groups of enemies; perhaps you can hide from one but not another, or the round you finish one set of enemies you might duck into the shadows before others perceive you.</p><p></p><p>The key seems to be that "You can’t hide from a creature that can see you" and "In combat, most creatures stay alert for signs of danger all around," both of which mean that you have to have both (A) something to hide behind and (B) a good reason that the enemy doesn't just follow his/her eyesight and see where you went.</p><p></p><p>All of this is (ultimately) up to DM jurisdiction/adjudication.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Evhelm, post: 6478483, member: 6781294"] Technically speaking, that all sounds correct. In [I]theory[/I] a Rogue [I]can[/I] do this, but a close reading of the relevant passage from p.60 of the PBR may yield very different results in practice. (Note, I'm definitely not saying [I]will[/I] yield a different result, but it does seem less likely when given the context of the Hide skill!) "You can’t hide from a creature that can see you, and if you make noise (such as shouting a warning or knocking over a vase), you give away your position...In combat, most creatures stay alert for signs of danger all around, so if you come out of hiding and approach a creature, it usually sees you. However, under certain circumstances, the Dungeon Master might allow you to stay hidden as you approach a creature that is distracted, allowing you to gain advantage on an attack before you are seen." I'd read that as "there are certain circumstances where, while still in initiative, a Rogue who had been in combat with some enemies may take the Hide action successfully." Off the cuff, I'd say those are probably times when there are two groups of enemies; perhaps you can hide from one but not another, or the round you finish one set of enemies you might duck into the shadows before others perceive you. The key seems to be that "You can’t hide from a creature that can see you" and "In combat, most creatures stay alert for signs of danger all around," both of which mean that you have to have both (A) something to hide behind and (B) a good reason that the enemy doesn't just follow his/her eyesight and see where you went. All of this is (ultimately) up to DM jurisdiction/adjudication. [/QUOTE]
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