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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Archer" data-source="post: 337765" data-attributes="member: 2950">I think Corwin is right and Shard is wrong <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Ok, now on to the thread. Simply put, it does matter what you take in what order. If you take rogue as your first level then you get 8x skill pts, if you took fighter you only got 2x. The same thing applies if you start taking fighter at epic levels for epic feats. You probably don't have 4 attacks per round but hey, whatever. The fact that the ftr20/bar20 has 1 more non-epic and one less epic feat than a bar20/ftr20 is no big deal. I think it is ridiculous to make an issue of it. I see epic as a feat with a prereq of ECL 21 in addition to the others.</blockquote>