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<blockquote data-quote="Catalyst" data-source="post: 339672" data-attributes="member: 6246">And yet, despite having one less Epic feat by level 40, the 20th Ftr / 20th Bbn was in much better shape upon hitting epic levels because his massive number of non-epic feats qualified him for almost anything he'd want. The 20th Bbn / 20th Ftr would have a severely shortened list of feats whose prerequisites could be met until he'd been epic for a while. If he specifically took regular feats to qualify for epic feats, his 8 non-epic choices (7 if non-human) would help a little--but there is very little a Ftr20 / Bbn1 couldn't take right away.I agree that multiclass characters could still be effective even if you denied them epic feats for bonus feats, but since most characters could have taken a Prestige Class and gained access to bonus epic feats that way, it seems to me you would actually be punishing the character--not for multiclassing, but for staying within the core classes. A Wiz10 / Rog10 would have to make do with the &quot;every 3 levels and that's it&quot; progression for at least 10 more levels, but a Rog5 / Wiz5 / Arcane Trickster10 could continue the Prestige Class advancement and have immediate access to them. To me, both characters should be of equal power as they are both level 20. How they add up to it is irrelevant. (OK, it is relevant to any good DM, but should not be within the rules, which happen to state a Ftr20 is the same CR as a Ftr1/Bbn4/Rgr3/Rog8/Sor4).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Catalyst, post: 339672, member: 6246"] And yet, despite having one less Epic feat by level 40, the 20th Ftr / 20th Bbn was in much better shape upon hitting epic levels because his massive number of non-epic feats qualified him for almost anything he'd want. The 20th Bbn / 20th Ftr would have a [I]severely[/I] shortened list of feats whose prerequisites could be met until he'd been epic for a while. If he specifically took regular feats to qualify for epic feats, his 8 non-epic choices (7 if non-human) would help a little--but there is very little a Ftr20 / Bbn1 couldn't take right away. I agree that multiclass characters could still be effective even if you denied them epic feats for bonus feats, but since most characters could have taken a Prestige Class and gained access to bonus epic feats that way, it seems to me you would actually be punishing the character--not for multiclassing, but for staying within the core classes. A Wiz10 / Rog10 would have to make do with the "every 3 levels and that's it" progression for at least 10 more levels, but a Rog5 / Wiz5 / Arcane Trickster10 could continue the Prestige Class advancement and have immediate access to them. To me, both characters should be of equal power as they are both level 20. How they add up to it is irrelevant. (OK, it [B]is[/B] relevant to any good DM, but should not be within the [I]rules[/I], which happen to state a Ftr20 is the same CR as a Ftr1/Bbn4/Rgr3/Rog8/Sor4). [/QUOTE]

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