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Message: <blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 449550" data-attributes="member: 1210">Well, to be brutally on topic, there's a situation that nobody's addressed regarding the natural one always failing.Let's say that two high-level parties meet and get into a fight.  One side's fighter is rendered magically helpless, and the other side's wizard rushes over and slits his throat with a dagger (coup de grace, iow), dealing a massive 8 hp of damage.If the fighter is 20th level, with a good con (let's say 18) and a cloak of resistance +3 (not at all unreasonable), his fort save will be around +19... he's pretty much immune to this coup de grace.  Is that right?I haven't been using the natural 1 fails/20 succeeds on saving throws rule.  But after this discussion, I think I'm going to start.And for the record, I use the -10/30 variant for attack rolls... but I don't think I like it for saves.  Don't ask me why, I still need to mull it over, and I may change my mine; I may use that rule, I may use the open-ended rule, I'm just not sure yet; but I know that fighter should have at least a chance of dying from having his throat slit like that.</blockquote>