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<blockquote data-quote="Willie the Duck" data-source="post: 8476824" data-attributes="member: 6799660">I am really confused why you think this. What about D&amp;D suggests this to you? Particularly TSR-era D&amp;D where rolling up a new character took all of a couple minutes. 5e is a little like this in that 1) it is default-set to easy mode*, 2) it has a somewhat complex build mechanics and making a new character could take a half-hour (or more if you have to look up stuff and compare), and 3) it has the slightest bit of character backstory and personality systems. Still, I would think this would be more true of games like GURPS, or Hero System or something like that, where building a character can take a long time and it has rules for things like personality traits, ties and connections, and so forth.*which, honestly, has only the slightest bit of relevance to the situation. Easy mode just means you can bite off more before it is more than you can chew. Pretty much, and this is my confusion to the OP's question. Not only is death as lethal as you want it, consequences of death are as powerful as you want them. Obviously each version of the game has slightly different resurrection rules, and more or less prevalence of 'death with no possibility of resurrection' effects, monsters, and cursed magic items. Also -- if your generic oD&amp;D* fighting man dies and there's another one in the next prison cell who can pick up their magic items and play 99% identically, well then has there really been a death of any real consequence.*The more you move towards attributes mattering, and then later additional build mechanics, the less this is true.Because inability to die does not mean inability to not achieve one's goals? If death is off the table, this seems like the primary advancement metric, even.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Willie the Duck, post: 8476824, member: 6799660"] I am really confused why you think this. What about D&D suggests this to you? Particularly TSR-era D&D where rolling up a new character took all of a couple minutes. 5e is a little like this in that 1) it is default-set to easy mode*, 2) it has a somewhat complex build mechanics and making a new character could take a half-hour (or more if you have to look up stuff and compare), and 3) it has the slightest bit of character backstory and personality systems. Still, I would think this would be more true of games like GURPS, or Hero System or something like that, where building a character can take a long time and it has rules for things like personality traits, ties and connections, and so forth. [I][SIZE=1]*which, honestly, has only the slightest bit of relevance to the situation. Easy mode just means you can bite off more before it is more than you can chew. [/SIZE][/I] Pretty much, and this is my confusion to the OP's question. Not only is death as lethal as you want it, [I]consequences [/I]of death are as powerful as you want them. Obviously each version of the game has slightly different resurrection rules, and more or less prevalence of 'death with no possibility of resurrection' effects, monsters, and cursed magic items. Also -- if your generic oD&D* fighting man dies and there's another one in the next prison cell who can pick up their magic items and play 99% identically, well then has there really been a death of any real consequence. [I][SIZE=1]*The more you move towards attributes mattering, and then later additional build mechanics, the less this is true.[/SIZE][/I] Because inability to die does not mean inability to not achieve one's goals? If death is off the table, this seems like the primary advancement metric, even. [/QUOTE]

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