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<blockquote data-quote="Jfdlsjfd" data-source="post: 8068209" data-attributes="member: 42856">&quot;On average, orcs are stronger than gnomes and gnomes are more intelligent than orcs&quot;. This sentence doesn't prevent a single gnome to be stronger than your average orc (though it would be notable) and a smart orc to be able to learn more quickly than your average gnome. If the bonus are just reflected at character creation, with your point buy starting from the &quot;average from your race&quot;, there is nothing to prevent your gnome to have STR 16 and be stronger than most orcs and equal to a PC Orc with an emphasis in STR (the latter would have spent less points to reach his starting STR 16 than the former, but both can start at the same level. One just needs to add the racial bonus BEFORE allocating points in point buy, instead of after (which makes a starting orc automatically stronger than the gnome, since they can all reach the same score before racial modifiers].&nbsp; So instead of saying you start at 8 and you need to spend X point to reach stat Y, it's &quot;you start at your racial average and you can spend 1 point to increase by 1, 2 points by 2, 4 points by 3... (increasing scale) while only getting one buy point when lowering a stat by 1 point (so you don't have that many minmaxed characters starting with their dump stat at 2).Can you play &quot;against the stereotype&quot;? Of course, since you'll be mechanically able to have a smart orc or an athlete gnome. Will you have the same points to spend once you have reached your STR 16 score at character creation? No. If it was, you wouldn't play &quot;against stereotype&quot; since the stereotype wouldn't be there. You'd just play a barbarian, who happened to be gnome, and no one would notice since there is nothing making it special or extraordinary, as all would-be heroes could do that. Spending points in point buy reflects the &quot;training part&quot;, and yes, a gnome would need to train more to be as athletic as an orc. It wouldn't be impossible. [the comparison between Captain America and Captain Orcishland is at the &quot;hero end&quot; of the spectrum, at a point where racial differences are moot compared to the type of power the PCs have at high level]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jfdlsjfd, post: 8068209, member: 42856"] "On average, orcs are stronger than gnomes and gnomes are more intelligent than orcs". This sentence doesn't prevent a single gnome to be stronger than your average orc (though it would be notable) and a smart orc to be able to learn more quickly than your average gnome. If the bonus are just reflected at character creation, with your point buy starting from the "average from your race", there is nothing to prevent your gnome to have STR 16 and be stronger than most orcs and equal to a PC Orc with an emphasis in STR (the latter would have spent less points to reach his starting STR 16 than the former, but both can start at the same level. One just needs to add the racial bonus BEFORE allocating points in point buy, instead of after (which makes a starting orc automatically stronger than the gnome, since they can all reach the same score before racial modifiers]. So instead of saying you start at 8 and you need to spend X point to reach stat Y, it's "you start at your racial average and you can spend 1 point to increase by 1, 2 points by 2, 4 points by 3... (increasing scale) while only getting one buy point when lowering a stat by 1 point (so you don't have that many minmaxed characters starting with their dump stat at 2). Can you play "against the stereotype"? Of course, since you'll be mechanically able to have a smart orc or an athlete gnome. Will you have the same points to spend once you have reached your STR 16 score at character creation? No. If it was, you wouldn't play "against stereotype" since the stereotype wouldn't be there. You'd just play a barbarian, who happened to be gnome, and no one would notice since there is nothing making it special or extraordinary, as all would-be heroes could do that. Spending points in point buy reflects the "training part", and yes, a gnome would need to train more to be as athletic as an orc. It wouldn't be impossible. [the comparison between Captain America and Captain Orcishland is at the "hero end" of the spectrum, at a point where racial differences are moot compared to the type of power the PCs have at high level] [/QUOTE]

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