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<blockquote data-quote="Phoebasss" data-source="post: 8069979" data-attributes="member: 7025876">Thucydides is the historian, not the guy himself. And the Spartan was better than his Athenian counterparts. A big part of the reason why Sparta won the peloponnesian war actually. He convinced the Thebans to side with Sparta over Athens. EDIT: The specifics of the example are also largely irrelevant to its point. Sometimes societies produce people who excel in skills not deemed important by the society.People in the world don't have perfect access to all information. The high elves don't sit in their gilded towers reading PC creation guidelines. They can only know what they see. In the US, for example, there is a common stereotype of French people as snooty, or as so-called &quot;cheese-eating surrender monkeys&quot;. This view is largely counterfactual and ignores hundreds of years of french military history and the existence of the Free France movement even during WW2. And yet the belief that this is true persists. Why is real life so unbelievable to you? If game worlds are held to higher standard for verisimilitude than real life, we're holding them to too high a standard.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Phoebasss, post: 8069979, member: 7025876"] Thucydides is the historian, not the guy himself. And the Spartan was better than his Athenian counterparts. A big part of the reason why Sparta won the peloponnesian war actually. He convinced the Thebans to side with Sparta over Athens. EDIT: The specifics of the example are also largely irrelevant to its point. Sometimes societies produce people who excel in skills not deemed important by the society. People in the world don't have perfect access to all information. The high elves don't sit in their gilded towers reading PC creation guidelines. They can only know what they see. In the US, for example, there is a common stereotype of French people as snooty, or as so-called "cheese-eating surrender monkeys". This view is largely counterfactual and ignores hundreds of years of french military history and the existence of the Free France movement even during WW2. And yet the belief that this is true persists. Why is real life so unbelievable to you? If game worlds are held to higher standard for verisimilitude than real life, we're holding them to too high a standard. [/QUOTE]

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