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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8269998" data-attributes="member: 93670">It's not that simple.&nbsp; Look at lanefan's post <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/do-players-even-like-the-risk-of-death.679974/post-8269779" target="_blank">here</a>.&nbsp; Perception plays a big role in what the GM can change &amp; how it's received.&nbsp; as a perfect example of this in action, I've tried to push for a l<a href="https://dnd-wiki.org/wiki/Ability_Arrays_(3.5e_Variant_Rule)" target="_blank">ow power array of 9 10 11 12 12 13</a> in a couple games I ran as part of character creation more than once &amp; got huge pushback with players uncertain if they were even interested.&nbsp; When The survivors stuff in&nbsp; VGM was put out, those same players said &quot;sounds cool&quot; when I suggested using them to start the next campaign/[spoiler=&quot;Note the arrays&quot;][MEDIA=twitter]1390746649748819968[/MEDIA][/spoiler][USER=29398]@Lanefan[/USER] I might not have been as clear as I hoped. yea it stabilized but bob was still on ice where he fell till he was at positive hp &amp; praying the whole time not to get caught in an AoE.&nbsp; stock ]5e could give a 1 point heal &amp; bob could disengage to move where AoEs weren't a risk or just keep doing his best deadpool impression soaking a healing word each round to keep on trucking. Needing to heal back up from that without the excess damage just going away took a lot before someone got back into the safe zone hp buffer.&nbsp;&nbsp; That scary zone changes the math of acceptable risk in a lot of ways from 5e style</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8269998, member: 93670"] It's not that simple. Look at lanefan's post [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/do-players-even-like-the-risk-of-death.679974/post-8269779']here[/URL]. Perception plays a big role in what the GM can change & how it's received. as a perfect example of this in action, I've tried to push for a l[URL='https://dnd-wiki.org/wiki/Ability_Arrays_(3.5e_Variant_Rule)']ow power array of 9 10 11 12 12 13[/URL] in a couple games I ran as part of character creation more than once & got huge pushback with players uncertain if they were even interested. When The survivors stuff in VGM was put out, those same players said "sounds cool" when I suggested using them to start the next campaign/ [spoiler="Note the arrays"] [MEDIA=twitter]1390746649748819968[/MEDIA][/spoiler] [USER=29398]@Lanefan[/USER] I might not have been as clear as I hoped. yea it stabilized but bob was still on ice where he fell till he was at positive hp & praying the whole time not to get caught in an AoE. stock ]5e could give a 1 point heal & bob could disengage to move where AoEs weren't a risk or just keep doing his best deadpool impression soaking a healing word each round to keep on trucking. Needing to heal back up from that without the excess damage just going away took a lot before someone got back into the safe zone hp buffer. That scary zone changes the math of acceptable risk in a lot of ways from 5e style [/QUOTE]

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