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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 8271312" data-attributes="member: 53980">I would interpret that to mean that the desire for less lethal, more balanced games existed well before the tools to do so did. Once the tools existed, those players who wanted that style of game likely were able to more effectively communicate those desires (by asking the DM to follow the encounter guidelines). In other words, I don't believe any cultural shift actually occurred. I think the demand for that style of play already existed, but was held back for lacking the tools be effectively implemented.That said, I think you may be overestimating how many groups play this way. I can think of quite a number of campaigns where the DM followed the encounter guidelines and yet still managed to rack up a high body count (in one particular 3.5 campaign we averaged about one death per session).</blockquote>