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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Steampunkette" data-source="post: 9481259" data-attributes="member: 6796468">Ah, yes. The ability to have both Spot and Listen as separate skills. VERY BIG DIFFERENCE.The ability to have more skills than a Fighter was great, but also depended on how your DM ran the game and how often they relied on "Knowledge Geography" checks.For the record I don't recall ever asking for a Geography check and can't really imagine many situations where it would be useful, but go off, I guess.The others? More useful. Particularly Hide, Move Silently, Listen, and Spot. Which were, of course, collapsed into 2 skills instead of 4.Huh. And the 5e Fighter has 2 skills known... while the Ranger has 3. Almost like they're still more skilled than the Fighter and with a shorter list of duplicate skills. (Also Backgrounds come with more skills known to offset that a bit but we don't care about things like that, right? Gotta get Knowledge Geography!)Titanic "Meh". 3e relied on massive bonus stacking, 5e doesn't. So not having massive bonus stacking isn't a thing that really matters.Ah yes. The correct way to fix a class's poor design: Take levels in OTHER classes. Surely the game's designers are geniuses.Yyyyyyyyup.</blockquote>