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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 9484387" data-attributes="member: 6801845">I was just referring to the "best designed" game.  Because that always comes back to "best designed for whom".I really, really wish I could find it myself!  Basically it shows a steady upward trend in estimated sales from the very start that went for a few years (the end of the graph).  I'll look again later and see if I can find it.Well, I admit I don't pay that much attention, the few I am aware of are D&D.  Doesn't mean there aren't a ton of other systems out there of course!Because I don't claim to be omniscient? If we really want to look at popularity my general go-to would be stats for fantasy grounds or roll 20.  Fantasy Grounds has shown D&D 5E at a little over 70% of the games being played.  I should note that the reference I found was from 2020, but IIRC other people have posted that it's still around the sameSo I'm not saying D&D is the best game, that there aren't other great games.  On the other hand I do look into a handful of other games at times.  But talking to friends that tried PF, the game just doubled down on what made 3.5 semi-broken and all about character build expertise.  I've also watched some streams on Dungeonworld for example, one of many PbtA games.  It just wasn't for me and I can see why many if not most of the people I play with would likely not care for it.  It's great for some people of course, but most people I play with?  Even though we get together on a regular basis and have fun, they're quite casual about the rules of the game even if many get invested in the character they're playing.The casual approach to the game that many people have also explains why 5E was more successful than, say 3.x to me.  I had a lot of fun with 3E but I like reading the <s>manual</s> PHB and supplement books cover to cover and then figuring out options that work well.  It's part of the fun for me, even if I don't go to the extent of a lot of optimizers looking for edge cases.  But it was intimidating to a lot of people when some grognard would eventually tell them their PC would be oh so much better if only they had [insert gamer speak].  You can build a decent PC in 5E without having a firm understanding of all the rules and variants.D&D 5E has broad appeal in my opinion because it's easy to play for the casual gamer (don't underestimate the cost of learning a system as a barrier to entry), interesting enough for a lot of experienced players.  Of course my experience like everyone's is anecdotal, but I've also played with and DMed several groups over the years, including dozens of people in 5E.And now I'm just rambling and don't really have a point.  Other than perhaps debating my life choices of cutting back on caffeine this week.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f634.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":sleep:" title="Sleep    :sleep:"  data-smilie="20"data-shortname=":sleep:" /></blockquote>

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