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<blockquote data-quote="DinoInDisguise" data-source="post: 9486824" data-attributes="member: 7045806"><p>The difference here as opposed to your example in nutrition. Is the nutritional measurements have meaning. They have research behind them that supports the importance of the thing being measured. We know the effects of eating too many calories, as an example. And we have a definitive method of measuring those calories. We can even, objectively, compare two measurements of calories reliably and draw conclusions based on that comparison.</p><p></p><p>In this discussion, the analysis proposed is measuring things we have no evidence are actually important outside of conjecture and opinion. And we have no standardized way to assess the measurement or means of comparing two measurements against each other. And in addition, reasonable arguments could be made to the contrary on the importance of some of these "measurements," such as balance. All of this is in stark contrast to the nutritional measurements you cite.</p><p></p><p>My issue is the dismissing of observational evidence as unreliable, but than defending subjective analysis as definitive. If we want to discuss the analysis, that is fine. But lets be honest and call it subjective. If we just close our eyes and pretend our opinions are objective facts by our own decree, we do ourselves a great disservice.</p><p></p><p>I don't know that further input by me is productive. If we can't even agree on what an opinion is, I don't see any real progress being made either way. <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤷♂️" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937-2642.png" title="Man shrugging :man_shrugging:" data-shortname=":man_shrugging:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DinoInDisguise, post: 9486824, member: 7045806"] The difference here as opposed to your example in nutrition. Is the nutritional measurements have meaning. They have research behind them that supports the importance of the thing being measured. We know the effects of eating too many calories, as an example. And we have a definitive method of measuring those calories. We can even, objectively, compare two measurements of calories reliably and draw conclusions based on that comparison. In this discussion, the analysis proposed is measuring things we have no evidence are actually important outside of conjecture and opinion. And we have no standardized way to assess the measurement or means of comparing two measurements against each other. And in addition, reasonable arguments could be made to the contrary on the importance of some of these "measurements," such as balance. All of this is in stark contrast to the nutritional measurements you cite. My issue is the dismissing of observational evidence as unreliable, but than defending subjective analysis as definitive. If we want to discuss the analysis, that is fine. But lets be honest and call it subjective. If we just close our eyes and pretend our opinions are objective facts by our own decree, we do ourselves a great disservice. I don't know that further input by me is productive. If we can't even agree on what an opinion is, I don't see any real progress being made either way. 🤷♂️ [/QUOTE]
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