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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9487536" data-attributes="member: 93670">I think that there are different kinds of (im)balance &amp; not all of them are equally problematic or unfun.&nbsp;&nbsp; Since RIFTS☆ came up earlier I'll use it's MDC dragonPC/glitterboy literal (MDCrailgun equipped mecha pilot/hobo pc (&quot;hobo&quot; is literally a PC option &amp; that's not innuendo or slang) it makes for a good example of why not all (im)balance is equal.&nbsp; unkillable godlike PCs existing in a world of cardboard where the only risk is fiat creates very different balance problems because the PCs cannot really be challenged or put at risk without doing so through fiat &amp; similar methods that feel unfun. The difference is that the&nbsp; gonzo system includes both tools to challenge the strongest PCs (ie creatures coalition forces etc) and gear that will bring up the weaker PCs to a level where they can contribute as more than a puff of red mist. At the other end you have &quot;(im)balance&quot; where the unfun result tends towards players of some&nbsp; PCs&nbsp; feeling like irredeemable baggage &amp; others bored unless they are being unfairly bludgeoned by fiat in ways that often feels unfair.☆I've played RIFTS &amp; many years ago even ran it a couple times.&nbsp; Holy heck it's hilariously broken in a lot of ways, but that's the expectation &amp; thee GM never feels helplessly disarmed&nbsp; of tools to elevate or challenge PCs as justified without needing to use fiat.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 9487536, member: 93670"] I think that there are different kinds of (im)balance & not all of them are equally problematic or unfun. Since RIFTS[B]☆[/B] came up earlier I'll use it's MDC dragonPC/glitterboy literal (MDCrailgun equipped mecha pilot/hobo pc ("hobo" is [I]literally[/I] a PC option & that's not innuendo or slang) it makes for a good example of why not all (im)balance is equal. unkillable godlike PCs existing in a world of cardboard where the only risk is fiat creates very different balance problems because the PCs cannot really be challenged or put at risk without doing so through fiat & similar methods that feel unfun. The difference is that the gonzo system includes both tools to challenge the strongest PCs [I](ie creatures coalition forces etc[/I]) and gear that will bring up the weaker PCs to a level where they can contribute as more than a puff of red mist. At the other end you have "(im)balance" where the unfun result tends towards players of some PCs feeling like irredeemable baggage & others bored unless they are being unfairly bludgeoned by fiat in ways that often feels unfair. [B]☆[/B]I've played RIFTS & many years ago even ran it a couple times. Holy heck it's hilariously broken in a lot of ways, but that's the expectation & thee GM never feels helplessly disarmed of tools to elevate or challenge PCs as justified without needing to use fiat. [/QUOTE]

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