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<blockquote data-quote="Guest 7037866" data-source="post: 9489563">You can, of course! But people don't do that in 5E (not generally, anyway)... <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤷‍♂️" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937-2642.png" title="Man shrugging&nbsp; &nbsp; :man_shrugging:" data-shortname=":man_shrugging:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />You roll and add their bonus each time. That is the d20 ascending system. You don't do subtraction! That would be heretical!!! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Roll 13, add 4, hits AC 17, hit AC 15.Roll 6, add 4, hits AC 10, miss AC 15.Roll 14, add 4, hits AC 18, hit AC 15.And so on...Now, if a player realizes, &quot;Hey, wait a minute, I can just subtract my attack bonus from the AC, and that is the number I have to roll to hit!&quot;Then, yeah, you have AC 15 - 4 (attack bonus) = 11.Roll 13, beats 11. Hit.Roll 6, fails 11. Miss.Roll 14, beats 11. Hit.So, again, no you don't have to do the maths every time and can do it just once, but guess what? Apparently, people do not like subtraction so this very rarely occurs to anyone unless you point it out to them. Older players, used to subtraction from AD&amp;D, catch on pretty quickly, however.That is why I think this might actually be a good idea for some of my players.You do the subtraction once to find AC 10, then just increase the number by 1 as the AC goes up by 1.In a game I play in on Wednesday nights, a player (again) forgot to add his proficiency bonus to his attack roll at first and had to be reminded of it. After he hit, he did want to add his proficiency bonus to this damage... sigh. I have gone through this SO many times I can't even begin to count them all.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Guest 7037866, post: 9489563"] You can, of course! But people don't do that in 5E (not generally, anyway)... 🤷‍♂️ You roll and add their bonus each time. That is the d20 ascending system. You don't do subtraction! That would be heretical!!! ;) Roll 13, add 4, hits AC 17, [B]hit [/B]AC 15. Roll 6, add 4, hits AC 10, [I]miss [/I]AC 15. Roll 14, add 4, hits AC 18, [B]hit [/B]AC 15. And so on... Now, if a player realizes, "[I]Hey, wait a minute, I can just subtract my attack bonus from the AC, and that is the number I have to roll to hit![/I]" Then, yeah, you have AC 15 - 4 (attack bonus) = 11. Roll 13, beats 11. [B]Hit[/B]. Roll 6, fails 11. [I]Miss[/I]. Roll 14, beats 11. [B]Hit[/B]. So, again, no you don't have to do the maths every time and can do it just once, but guess what? Apparently, people do not like subtraction so this very rarely occurs to anyone unless you point it out to them. Older players, used to subtraction from AD&D, catch on pretty quickly, however. That is why I think this might actually be a good idea for some of my players. You do the subtraction [I]once[/I] to find AC 10, then just increase the number by 1 as the AC goes up by 1. In a game I play in on Wednesday nights, a player (again) forgot to add his proficiency bonus to his attack roll at first and had to be reminded of it. After he hit, he did want to add his proficiency bonus to this damage... sigh. I have gone through this SO many times I can't even begin to count them all. [/QUOTE]

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