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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Felon" data-source="post: 2286006" data-attributes="member: 8158">LOL. Yep, you can easily achieve much poorer results with the core classes than with the  PrC. Multi-classing will easily allow you to build a pitiful, ineffective character, but who's to say effectivenes was what the original poster was going for?But there's the trick to it. When a PrC offers a way to design characters that the core classes don't handle well, if at all, then they serve a good purpose. But they get saddled with a concept, then they get constraining. I have a Scout that I'm building towards the Dervish PrC. I want him to be a human cuisinart (well, an elven cuisinart actually). Do I really want my scout to expend finite skill points to get ranks in Perform (dance)? No. Can you justify the ability to move more than five feet and get a full round of attacks that doesn't require dancing skill? Sure. But someone decided to clamp a trace of concept onto a class that's largely devoid of it. Very annoying.Then again, fluff-lovers rant on this board all the time when a book offers PrC's that don't impose a specific concept or organization. They complain about PrC's being shameless, empty vehicles for gaining new abilities. Blame them.</blockquote>