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Message: <blockquote data-quote="IceBear" data-source="post: 324092" data-attributes="member: 1118">Ok, I guess I wasn't clear on how much I was willing to give the PCs in terms of detecting the spell first before it went off (so no one realized that it wasn't as harsh as it seems, but....), so I could go with just the Dex 0 for sleeping characters.However, I would not give a save for held or magically sleeping characters as others would do when this was last brought up.  I think that I went too far in anticipation of this thread than just answering the question.If the party was just sleeping, then they get the Save with Dex 0 to simulate waking up.IceBear</blockquote>