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Message: <blockquote data-quote="IceBear" data-source="post: 324419" data-attributes="member: 1118">Jester, I hope my original posts didn't make it seem like I go out of my way to prevent allowing making a Reflex save or use Evasion, because nothing could be further from the truth.  In my opinion if you can move then you can make a Reflex save.  As stupid as someone being in a 10ft square room when the fireball goes off and takes no damage I can live with it as he can move and therefore we can rationalize it away SOMEHOW (he drops to the floor at the last second, rolling quickly about smothering the flames before they have a chance to burn him).All I meant to say is that if the guy can't move then he won't get the save or to use evasion.  My original stance was IF you're still asleep when the fireball goes off you get no save, but I would have given the characters some chance of detecting it before it went off and waking up, thus getting their save.  As pointed out here, if I just have everyone make their saves with Dex 0 then that one roll would take care of everything - if they make their saves they noticed the fireball and woke up in time to protect themselves, if they didn't then they were still asleep when it hit. That's more efficent than my rolling twice method.IceBear</blockquote>