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<blockquote data-quote="lunasmeow" data-source="post: 6432725" data-attributes="member: 6785478"><p>I have this same question. The reason being the wording of the "background" description of sorcerers in the 3.5 D&D handbook, and I quote:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now it doesn't state that sorcerers don't need materials, but consider the "magic" sorcerers are casting when they are growing up subconsciously. How are they casting these spells if sorcerers need the same verbal words and magical components that wizards do? They can't be. They'd have to cast magic without components, and without vocal or somatic components. Otherwise they wouldn't be sorcerers, they'd be wizards who cast a spell intentionally. No way did they just "stumble" on the right V, S, or M components for these various small magics they are casting without actually trying.</p><p></p><p>Beyond this it fits into the lore, supposedly Sorcerers have magic internally. It is a part of them like fingers or toes. Wizards however, lacking this innate connection to magic, have to learn to interact with magic as a foreign entity, like a wizard learning to cast fireball vs an elemental of fire who does it instinctively.</p><p></p><p>Even more so, it is stated that a common belief is that sorcerous power comes from having either a dragon ancestor or a god ancestor somewhere down the line. I doubt dragons have M components when they cast spells. Did the dragon you fought pull something out of a bag to cast or did he just cast? If their magic comes from dragon decent either new, or way back when, shouldn't their magic be the same? In fact, I'd be more likely to say the even if it *doesn't* come from dragon or godly decent, maybe the reason people *believe* it does is because it is similar.</p><p></p><p>So the question then becomes, not do Sorcerers "require" these things to cast their spells, but *should* they require them. Considering I'm DMing a game now, and one character is about to multi-class into sorcerer, I'm looking for what other DMs think of the logic with this.</p><p></p><p>I am currently on the side of them not requiring materials, but making them require V and S for spells just to not make them to OP. I don't think logically that they'd require either literally, but I avoid that by saying the V and S components help put them in the right frame of mind to use their power. They get the still spell feat and the silent spell feat if they have gotten accomplished enough to no longer use these "tricks" to force their mind to do what it should.</p><p></p><p>What I am looking for is opposing ideas and logic to see if this is a sound decision before implementing it. Thanks!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="lunasmeow, post: 6432725, member: 6785478"] I have this same question. The reason being the wording of the "background" description of sorcerers in the 3.5 D&D handbook, and I quote: Now it doesn't state that sorcerers don't need materials, but consider the "magic" sorcerers are casting when they are growing up subconsciously. How are they casting these spells if sorcerers need the same verbal words and magical components that wizards do? They can't be. They'd have to cast magic without components, and without vocal or somatic components. Otherwise they wouldn't be sorcerers, they'd be wizards who cast a spell intentionally. No way did they just "stumble" on the right V, S, or M components for these various small magics they are casting without actually trying. Beyond this it fits into the lore, supposedly Sorcerers have magic internally. It is a part of them like fingers or toes. Wizards however, lacking this innate connection to magic, have to learn to interact with magic as a foreign entity, like a wizard learning to cast fireball vs an elemental of fire who does it instinctively. Even more so, it is stated that a common belief is that sorcerous power comes from having either a dragon ancestor or a god ancestor somewhere down the line. I doubt dragons have M components when they cast spells. Did the dragon you fought pull something out of a bag to cast or did he just cast? If their magic comes from dragon decent either new, or way back when, shouldn't their magic be the same? In fact, I'd be more likely to say the even if it *doesn't* come from dragon or godly decent, maybe the reason people *believe* it does is because it is similar. So the question then becomes, not do Sorcerers "require" these things to cast their spells, but *should* they require them. Considering I'm DMing a game now, and one character is about to multi-class into sorcerer, I'm looking for what other DMs think of the logic with this. I am currently on the side of them not requiring materials, but making them require V and S for spells just to not make them to OP. I don't think logically that they'd require either literally, but I avoid that by saying the V and S components help put them in the right frame of mind to use their power. They get the still spell feat and the silent spell feat if they have gotten accomplished enough to no longer use these "tricks" to force their mind to do what it should. What I am looking for is opposing ideas and logic to see if this is a sound decision before implementing it. Thanks! [/QUOTE]
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