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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 3686385" data-attributes="member: 114">You are quite right to recognise that some things will appeal to some people and not to others, and I'm absolutely fine with that.However, do you mind if I talk about your example quoted? Using Saga rules, I could expect to see:Joe Dirtfarmer - can make swim checks at +6 but can't attempt any use of the skill which requires 'trained only'. Probably can't swim underwater, for instance.Bob Swimmerguy - from his name it seems as if he is trained and probably has skill focus too, since he is an olympic swimming champ in the making. He makes swim checks at +10, and can make 'trained only' checks tooTim the Wizard might just be trained in Occult Lore, but he is still getting +6 (the same as Joe Dirtfarmer) and once again he can attempt 'trained only' uses of the skill, which Joe Dirtfarmer cannot. If Tim had taken Skill Focus in Occult Lore too, he would be way ahead.(not to mention that if Joe Dirtfarmer is really 12th level he ought to think about changing his name, since he is a person of truly heroic stature! Why not call him Luke Skywalker and say that despite being born on a desert world, falling into water isn't instant death for him because he's heard that humans float and he's learnt enough composure to make his way to the side of the body of water as long as it isn't too rough?)Basically I don't think the picture is as silly as you've painted it in those examples!Cheers</blockquote>

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