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Do the initiative rules discourage parley?
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<blockquote data-quote="Felon" data-source="post: 2199814" data-attributes="member: 8158"><p>You have accused me of making up stuff, so allow me to ask you, where in the DMG is the passage you are you referring to? The section on Readying an Action (p. 25) does not state that the triggering condition must be a specific action, nor does it specifically discourage a condition of "I ready if he does anything". </p><p></p><p>It actually states that the ready action is "particularly open-ended" and recommends that the action that the character is readying should be very specific (e.g. the character should specify exactly what spell is being readied). But that's the readied action it's talking about, not the triggering condition. It then goes on to say the DM is "justified" in requiring a specific target to be designated, or could designate any foe that comes from a certain direction, but that's as far as the DMG's advice goes on the topic of triggering conditions, and that's not very specific at all. </p><p></p><p>Moreover, the DMG is just offering advice, so we're not even talking rules, just recommendations on how to apply them. The RAW's express requirement is that you "specify the action you will take and the <em>conditions</em> under which you will take it". Notice the use of plural. Contrary to your assertions, not only is specificness <em>not</em> expressly required, but the rules implicitly allow for vagueness if you are permitted to identify a multitude of triggering conditions.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You are clinging to the wording of the sentence "At the start of a battle, before you have had a chance to act (specifically, before your first regular turn in the initiative order), you are flat-footed." and dwelling on the phrase "chance to act" more than was likely intended. By way of clarification, here is what the glossary of conditions says specifically about being flat-footed:</p><p></p><p>"Flat-Footed: A character who has not yet acted during a combat is flat-footed."</p><p></p><p>So, if you do not act, you remain flat-footed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Felon, post: 2199814, member: 8158"] You have accused me of making up stuff, so allow me to ask you, where in the DMG is the passage you are you referring to? The section on Readying an Action (p. 25) does not state that the triggering condition must be a specific action, nor does it specifically discourage a condition of "I ready if he does anything". It actually states that the ready action is "particularly open-ended" and recommends that the action that the character is readying should be very specific (e.g. the character should specify exactly what spell is being readied). But that's the readied action it's talking about, not the triggering condition. It then goes on to say the DM is "justified" in requiring a specific target to be designated, or could designate any foe that comes from a certain direction, but that's as far as the DMG's advice goes on the topic of triggering conditions, and that's not very specific at all. Moreover, the DMG is just offering advice, so we're not even talking rules, just recommendations on how to apply them. The RAW's express requirement is that you "specify the action you will take and the [I]conditions[/I] under which you will take it". Notice the use of plural. Contrary to your assertions, not only is specificness [I]not[/I] expressly required, but the rules implicitly allow for vagueness if you are permitted to identify a multitude of triggering conditions. You are clinging to the wording of the sentence "At the start of a battle, before you have had a chance to act (specifically, before your first regular turn in the initiative order), you are flat-footed." and dwelling on the phrase "chance to act" more than was likely intended. By way of clarification, here is what the glossary of conditions says specifically about being flat-footed: "Flat-Footed: A character who has not yet acted during a combat is flat-footed." So, if you do not act, you remain flat-footed. [/QUOTE]
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