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Do the initiative rules discourage parley?
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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2201411" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Not according to the rules you quoted. You are focusing on one sentence and ignoring every other sentence in that same paragraph.</p><p></p><p>First off, the word "occurs" here means in the real world. It occurs on the table top first. The word "occurs" is talking about resolution order, it is not talking about from the viewpoint of the characters. Put the phrase "is resolved" in place of "occurs" and the sentence makes total sense: The action is resolved just before the action that triggers it. And even if it was talking about from the viewpoint of the characters (which does not make sense), the sentence you are quoting is not even the sentence that talks about how this works if the triggered action is part of another character's activities.</p><p></p><p>"Readying an Action: You can ready a standard action, a move action, or a free action. To do so, specify the action you will take and the conditions under which you will take it. Then, any time before your next action, you may take the readied action <strong>in response</strong> to that condition. The action occurs just before the action that triggers it. <strong>If the triggered action is part of another character’s activities</strong>, you <strong>interrupt</strong> the other character. Assuming he is still capable of doing so, he <strong>continues</strong> his actions once you complete your readied action."</p><p></p><p>You cannot just drop out sentences from the rules if they do not match your interpretation. The condition must start first in order for your character to respond to it. He continues his action afterwards, he does not start it afterwards.</p><p></p><p></p><p>If I start casting a spell, I have STARTED casting. You then, <strong>in response, interrupt</strong> with your Readied Action.</p><p></p><p>Your interpretation is totally nonsensical. Characters would have to be omniscient in order to fire their crossbow BEFORE the opponent even starts casting a spell. The triggering action HAS to start before the readying action is resolved. It does not have to finish before the readying action is resolved (and according to the rules, it does not).</p><p></p><p></p><p>So, since you are ignoring the rules as written which are inconvenient to your interpretation, I will repeat that the character triggering the action is STILL not flat-footed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2201411, member: 2011"] Not according to the rules you quoted. You are focusing on one sentence and ignoring every other sentence in that same paragraph. First off, the word "occurs" here means in the real world. It occurs on the table top first. The word "occurs" is talking about resolution order, it is not talking about from the viewpoint of the characters. Put the phrase "is resolved" in place of "occurs" and the sentence makes total sense: The action is resolved just before the action that triggers it. And even if it was talking about from the viewpoint of the characters (which does not make sense), the sentence you are quoting is not even the sentence that talks about how this works if the triggered action is part of another character's activities. "Readying an Action: You can ready a standard action, a move action, or a free action. To do so, specify the action you will take and the conditions under which you will take it. Then, any time before your next action, you may take the readied action [b]in response[/b] to that condition. The action occurs just before the action that triggers it. [b]If the triggered action is part of another character’s activities[/b], you [b]interrupt[/b] the other character. Assuming he is still capable of doing so, he [b]continues[/b] his actions once you complete your readied action." You cannot just drop out sentences from the rules if they do not match your interpretation. The condition must start first in order for your character to respond to it. He continues his action afterwards, he does not start it afterwards. If I start casting a spell, I have STARTED casting. You then, [b]in response, interrupt[/b] with your Readied Action. Your interpretation is totally nonsensical. Characters would have to be omniscient in order to fire their crossbow BEFORE the opponent even starts casting a spell. The triggering action HAS to start before the readying action is resolved. It does not have to finish before the readying action is resolved (and according to the rules, it does not). So, since you are ignoring the rules as written which are inconvenient to your interpretation, I will repeat that the character triggering the action is STILL not flat-footed. [/QUOTE]
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