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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 9260191" data-attributes="member: 7006">Yes, RPGs have modernized.&nbsp; And the easiest way to recognize it is to read all of these OSR games and see how they are written and formatted in modern D&amp;D editions stylings even while its gameplay is based upon older editions.&nbsp; Simply the change of ACs going down to ACs going up is the easiest identifier about how even OSR has modernized.D&amp;D having skills is the game having modernized.&nbsp; D&amp;D forsaking encumbrance for the most part is the game having modernized.&nbsp; D&amp;D adding Backgrounds to characters on top of their class to give us a sense of who they were prior to becoming adventurers is the game having modernized.&nbsp; D&amp;D including Traits, Ideals, Bonds and Flaws for character description beyond just their alignment is the game having modernized.The problem in my opinion is that there are just so many things that have evolved slowly over time that we just don't think about them as &quot;modernization&quot;.&nbsp; But they absolutely are.&nbsp; Just compare anything from 4E and 5E to AD&amp;D and you'll see the modernization of the game all over the place... even when keeping things that look like traditional things without any progress.&nbsp; Heck... D&amp;D's ability scores have modernized-- giving us standard modifier bonuses every two ability score points instead of the rather random point in AD&amp;D when certain ability scores might give you a bonus and only for certain classes.&nbsp; So while someone might say &quot;The ability scores are still traditional and haven't progressed!&quot;... they are in fact incorrect.Which means at this point it comes down to the individual looking at all of these modernization points and then having to decide whether they think those points &quot;count&quot;.&nbsp; And that's where the arguments will come in-- because some people just won't believe something has gotten better, cleaner, more streamlined or more modern if it doesn't match whatever they think &quot;modernization&quot; is in their own minds.&nbsp; But for those people?&nbsp; Nothing we can do for them.&nbsp; We can makes claims and examples until the cows come home but they just won't accept it because their mind's made up.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 9260191, member: 7006"] Yes, RPGs have modernized. And the easiest way to recognize it is to read all of these OSR games and see how they are written and formatted in modern D&D editions stylings even while its gameplay is based upon older editions. Simply the change of ACs going down to ACs going up is the easiest identifier about how even OSR has modernized. D&D having skills is the game having modernized. D&D forsaking encumbrance for the most part is the game having modernized. D&D adding Backgrounds to characters on top of their class to give us a sense of who they were prior to becoming adventurers is the game having modernized. D&D including Traits, Ideals, Bonds and Flaws for character description beyond just their alignment is the game having modernized. The problem in my opinion is that there are just so many things that have evolved slowly over time that we just don't think about them as "modernization". But they absolutely are. Just compare anything from 4E and 5E to AD&D and you'll see the modernization of the game all over the place... even when keeping things that look like traditional things without any progress. Heck... D&D's ability scores have modernized-- giving us standard modifier bonuses every two ability score points instead of the rather random point in AD&D when certain ability scores might give you a bonus and only for certain classes. So while someone might say "The ability scores are still traditional and haven't progressed!"... they are in fact incorrect. Which means at this point it comes down to the individual looking at all of these modernization points and then having to decide whether they think those points "count". And that's where the arguments will come in-- because some people just won't believe something has gotten better, cleaner, more streamlined or more modern if it doesn't match whatever [I]they[/I] think "modernization" is in their own minds. But for those people? Nothing we can do for them. We can makes claims and examples until the cows come home but they just won't accept it because their mind's made up. [/QUOTE]

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