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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 9260942" data-attributes="member: 87792">As I've said in many places all else being equal simpler is better. I would however say that the &quot;classic&quot; TSR era saving throw system is more complex than the modern one but that complexity lead to a better game.I don't know AGE. But in terms of modernity from least to most:<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">3.X is a very 80s game with lost of grit and fiddly player elimination and rules that take a lot of time. Least modern.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">4e and 5e are about equally modern with minimal player elimination, and both of them suffer from long turn lengths and bullet sponge enemies (5e more than 4e as there's much more tactical depth to 4e)<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">4e is much more cooperative, and with fortune in the middle much of the time</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">5e is more streamlined with fewer modifiers to track, many of which were redundant</li>
</ul></li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Dungeon World is D&amp;D kludged with Apocalypse World</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">I went into why <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/do-ttrpgs-need-to-modernize.702497/page-13#post-9260322" target="_blank">Apocalypse World is very modern</a> here</li>
</ul>I look forward to that with some scepticism. But expect to have a lot to loot.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 9260942, member: 87792"] As I've said in many places [I]all else being equal[/I] simpler is better. I would however say that the "classic" TSR era saving throw system is more complex than the modern one but that complexity lead to a better game. I don't know AGE. But in terms of modernity from least to most: [LIST] [*]3.X is a very 80s game with lost of grit and fiddly player elimination and rules that take a lot of time. Least modern. [*]4e and 5e are about equally modern with minimal player elimination, and both of them suffer from long turn lengths and bullet sponge enemies (5e more than 4e as there's much more tactical depth to 4e) [LIST] [*]4e is much more cooperative, and with fortune in the middle much of the time [*]5e is more streamlined with fewer modifiers to track, many of which were redundant [/LIST] [*]Dungeon World is D&D kludged with Apocalypse World [*]I went into why [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/do-ttrpgs-need-to-modernize.702497/page-13#post-9260322']Apocalypse World is very modern[/URL] here [/LIST] I look forward to that with some scepticism. But expect to have a lot to loot. [/QUOTE]

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