Do we have a news version of 4E already? Forked Thread: Edition War Across the Net...

[Derren]

Forked from: Edition War Across the Net or Where Have You Been?

3.0 is used to distinguish it from 3.5, which was another edition. The PHB2 is not a new edition, even remotely. New stealth rules and a few minor changes does not a new edition make. But you know this, of course.

Considering how young 4E there have been a lot significant rules changes for it.
Either through direct rules changes (Stealth, Skill Challenges, Solo&Minion monster design) or through indirect bugfix material (Expertise, Nad Enhancers, Masterwork Heavy armour)

When in a few months someone asks "Help, my fights with solos takes to long" the first questions will be "Do you have expertise feats?" and "Do you fight MM1 solos or MM2 ones?".
Already when someone has problems with skill challenges people ask "pre-errata, post-errata or Obsidian's?"
And when the community has to make such a distinction, then imo it means that we have a new version of the game.
Although as the rules are so spread out, the 4.0, 4.1, 4.2 system likely wouldn't work.

 

[Dice4Hire]

We do not have a new edition.

Or are you saying that every time WOTC puts a new errata or clarification on their FAQ it is a new edition? If so, we are about in edition 4.384 or so.

IF you want to talk of different versions of 4E the only one I see is 4E(non-DDI) and 4e(DDI)

If anything causes a rift in the game it will e that.

 

[Crothian]

A few options and questions to clarify things does not a new edition make.

 

[Henrix]

Was it a new edition of 3e every time they changed or errataed polymorph?

 

[MichaelSomething]

Would you rather have WOTC go "4 Edition is perfect! There's no need to change anything!" while the forums go "This is broken! Why doesn't WOTC fix this?"

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Was it a new edition of 3e every time they changed or errataed polymorph?

Hmmmm. Thinking about it... It almost makes kinda sense that a rule on changing and shifting forms also changes and shifts over time...

I would think errata are part (but not the only one) of a "living game system", like dead languages are those that nobody speaks regularly and doesn't change anymore due to common usage, while a living language changes, adds new words, changes meanings, loses words, changes the way you pronounce things.

 

[mach1.9pants]

He never gives up, I'll give that to him.....t

 

[tyrlaan]

I think the responders to the OP are somewhat missing the OP's point (though I think the OP's point could have been better communicated).

Is it a new edition when you change how a spell works or a single skill? No, of course not. That's errata like everyone is stating.

Is it a new edition when you change fundamental game mechanics such as the math behind attack rolls or skill challenges? That seems to be a valid question.

 

[Dice4Hire]

Is it a new edition when you change fundamental game mechanics such as the math behind attack rolls or skill challenges? That seems to be a valid question.

Is the game unplayable without expertise? No.

Hasn't the whole expertise thing been done to death enough yet? If that is the point of this thread, I would argue the OP should have been a post in another thread.

 

[Keefe the Thief]

If the revision of the skill challenge DCs is enough for a new edition, i fear we got a new edition, too, when UA introduced comeliness. So, perhaps we should introduce a two-digit version number (currently: version 14.26r3).

However, i´m sure that if Derren, one of 4es most vocal proponents, voices an idea like this, we better take it seriously.