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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6060949" data-attributes="member: 177">Except, of course, that the OSR movement a small niche within gamers.&nbsp; I don't see anything like a wide agreement that the old stuff is really &quot;Golden&quot;.&nbsp; And, of course, in most other areas (comic books, for example) we refer to a Golden Age, but we don't actually use that term in the sense of something we want to go back to, or that we really even try to emulate in the current time.&nbsp; We recognize it with respect, and understand its historical relevance, and then move on anyway.Wow, there's so much spin on that it simply whirrrrrs!&nbsp; And the emotional baggage you've laden that with! Even Hercules would have to work to budge it.&nbsp; But, no, that's not what I'm saying.&nbsp; I'm saying that &quot;uniting gamer culture&quot; is not a realistic task, in the way you seem to mean it, and that we likely never really were all that united, ever.&nbsp; Not even when OD&amp;D was the only game on the block.&nbsp; We didn't all want the same things from our games.&nbsp; We didn't all play the one game the same way.&nbsp; D&amp;D was first published in 1974.&nbsp; Take a look at Wikipedia's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_role-playing_games" target="_blank">Timeline of RPGs</a> for a second, and look at how many different games there were by 1984 - still half a decade from the start of your supposed Dark Age.&nbsp; There's something like 61 games in there!&nbsp; And you suggest we were &quot;united&quot; at that point?&nbsp; Diversification began almost immediately!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 6060949, member: 177"] Except, of course, that the OSR movement a small niche within gamers. I don't see anything like a wide agreement that the old stuff is really "Golden". And, of course, in most other areas (comic books, for example) we refer to a Golden Age, but we don't actually use that term in the sense of something we want to go back to, or that we really even try to emulate in the current time. We recognize it with respect, and understand its historical relevance, and then move on anyway. Wow, there's so much spin on that it simply whirrrrrs! And the emotional baggage you've laden that with! Even Hercules would have to work to budge it. But, no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that "uniting gamer culture" is not a realistic task, in the way you seem to mean it, and that we likely never really were all that united, ever. Not even when OD&D was the only game on the block. We didn't all want the same things from our games. We didn't all play the one game the same way. D&D was first published in 1974. Take a look at Wikipedia's [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_role-playing_games]Timeline of RPGs[/url] for a second, and look at how many different games there were by 1984 - still half a decade from the start of your supposed Dark Age. There's something like 61 games in there! And you suggest we were "united" at that point? Diversification began almost immediately! [/QUOTE]

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