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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Daztur" data-source="post: 6062837" data-attributes="member: 55680">The "you can ignore the rules" bit actually does matter. NWPs are definitely optional rules and I think weapon profs are as well (not sure, don't have my 2ed book on hand and haven't read them in a loooooooong time). If you say "we're not using proficiencies" everything works fine (probably better, the 2ed proficiency system is a mess). Can you do the same for WotC-D&D feats? What happens if the DM says "we're not going to use feats in this campaign"?The same goes for a lot of the crunchier bits of 2ed. AD&D is a disorganized mess of inconsistent sub-systems that don't really interact with each other. This is bad for a lot of reasons, but it does allow you to just yank out most any sub-system you don't like and throw it in the garbage and the rest still work fine. This doesn't work well with unified systems in which all of the parts interact like in 3.*ed.This isn't me doing the rule zero fallacy, I'm not saying that 2ed isn't broken if you fix it, just that it's a lot easier to ignore bits of rules of even apply them inconsistently than with WotC D&D, which makes a big difference.As for THAC0 and weird saves in the last campaign I played the players never heard the word THAC0, they just rolled the dice said what they rolled and the DM looked it up in the 1ed DMG chart. The same goes with the weird saves. Some players kept on forgetting if they wanted to roll high or low on saves but it worked OK since the DM just told you what to roll and what happened. AD&D works better if you stick as much of the rules adjudication on the DM as possible and let the players "just know enough to play." Players into system mastery will get headaches.But for overall rules heaviness I'd still put 2ed well below 3.5ed due to the vast swaths of 3.5ed rules that most everyone ignores. Stuff like ALL of the rules for climbing and the rules for how hard it is to tumble across uneven vs. even flagstones. There's a gazillion rules like that in 3.5ed and because of those I'd find running 3.5ed 100% by the book a lot harder than doing the same with 2ed.</blockquote>

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