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<blockquote data-quote="Ahwe Yahzhe" data-source="post: 4065139" data-attributes="member: 55229">...of COURSE we need a Bard class!...because we WANT a bard class.&nbsp; That's it.&nbsp; If anyone remembers the painful process in the appendix of the 1E PHB, just think how many of us were willing to create characters with those ridiculous cross-class requirements just so we could play one.&nbsp; Never mind if they were playable or not, we all have images of Taleisin or viking skalds in our brains that had to get out.&nbsp; Fast-forward to 2E, and you've got bards as a rogue class with spells swapped in for backstab and thief skills... We still played them, as nerfed as they were.&nbsp; (My favorite was the Gallant kit, where your character was allowed to stay alive, no matter how brutally he had just been killed, just long enough to make a final 'death speech.'&nbsp; It was so much fun when my Gallant died, torturing my fellow players with the Worst Poem Ever Written...)Things got a little better in 3.5E, when the bard became the &quot;best fifth party member.&quot;&nbsp; But still got laughed at by the other classes, especially Clerics and Druids.With the whole roles / power sources thing, regardless of whether WotC isn't concerned about &quot;filling out the matrix,&quot; you have a clear role for the Bard as an Arcane Leader.&nbsp; If yet another overhaul of the class is required, so be it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ahwe Yahzhe, post: 4065139, member: 55229"] [b]...of COURSE we need a Bard class![/b] ...because we WANT a bard class. That's it. If anyone remembers the painful process in the appendix of the 1E PHB, just think how many of us were willing to create characters with those ridiculous cross-class requirements just so we could play one. Never mind if they were playable or not, we all have images of Taleisin or viking skalds in our brains that had to get out. Fast-forward to 2E, and you've got bards as a rogue class with spells swapped in for backstab and thief skills... We still played them, as nerfed as they were. (My favorite was the Gallant kit, where your character was allowed to stay alive, no matter how brutally he had just been killed, just long enough to make a final 'death speech.' It was so much fun when my Gallant died, torturing my fellow players with the Worst Poem Ever Written...) Things got a little better in 3.5E, when the bard became the "best fifth party member." But still got laughed at by the other classes, especially Clerics and Druids. With the whole roles / power sources thing, regardless of whether WotC isn't concerned about "filling out the matrix," you have a clear role for the Bard as an Arcane Leader. If yet another overhaul of the class is required, so be it. [/QUOTE]

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