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<blockquote data-quote="CleverNickName" data-source="post: 4065366" data-attributes="member: 50987"><p>I dunno, man...I think that many characters with a high Charisma and/or light armor could do most of these things.</p><p></p><p>Learns music? I've never understood why most gamers assume that only bards can sing well or play musical instruments. I am an engineer, but I can play the mandolin, and I can play by ear, from sheet music, or improvisation. Bard, I am not. I'm not even a musician. I'm just a guy who learned a skill. If the music needs to be magical...and I am not convinced that it <strong>has</strong> to be...then substitute flute for wand as an implement, and you are done.</p><p></p><p>Chronicles events and spreads word of the party's deeds? Again, there is no reason why this has to be exclusive to a particular class...storytelling is another Charisma-based skill that can be taught and learned by almost anyone, just like playing a music instrument. It's difficult to find a use for this ability in an encounter, so I'm content to just let it happen in the background.</p><p></p><p>Inspires others when they are feeling down? Charisma check. Schmoozes his way into the noble court? Charisma check. Disguise, smooth-talking, and heart-winning? All Charisma checks. (The mustache should grant at least a competence bonus to the check, though. If I were your DM, I'd allow it.)</p><p></p><p>Beguiles, misdirects, dodges, and darts about? This sounds like something best suited to a high-dex, light-armor fellow. (And your post officially became Awesome when you used the phrase, "He buckles his swash.") This could be handled with Dex checks and/or a better, less munchkin Dodge feat.</p><p></p><p>Knows the legends of the land, knows the tales of monsters and whatnot? So do most adventurers. They are sort of known for it. In fact, it is how they earn their living. There really isn't a need to build a whole class around this either; a simple History check would work for most cases, or it could just be handled as an assumption behind the scenes.</p><p></p><p>I like your ideas, and the character you describe would be a lot of fun to play...but I'm still not convinced that it needs to be its own class. IMO, it could be done effectively and easily with a simple high-Charisma fighter or rogue. The skill effects that you mention (like granting bonuses to others in the party) could be handled with a talent tree, feat chain, or whatever they are calling them in 4E.</p><p></p><p>In conclusion,</p><p></p><p><img src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5402/479/1600/bard.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CleverNickName, post: 4065366, member: 50987"] I dunno, man...I think that many characters with a high Charisma and/or light armor could do most of these things. Learns music? I've never understood why most gamers assume that only bards can sing well or play musical instruments. I am an engineer, but I can play the mandolin, and I can play by ear, from sheet music, or improvisation. Bard, I am not. I'm not even a musician. I'm just a guy who learned a skill. If the music needs to be magical...and I am not convinced that it [B]has[/B] to be...then substitute flute for wand as an implement, and you are done. Chronicles events and spreads word of the party's deeds? Again, there is no reason why this has to be exclusive to a particular class...storytelling is another Charisma-based skill that can be taught and learned by almost anyone, just like playing a music instrument. It's difficult to find a use for this ability in an encounter, so I'm content to just let it happen in the background. Inspires others when they are feeling down? Charisma check. Schmoozes his way into the noble court? Charisma check. Disguise, smooth-talking, and heart-winning? All Charisma checks. (The mustache should grant at least a competence bonus to the check, though. If I were your DM, I'd allow it.) Beguiles, misdirects, dodges, and darts about? This sounds like something best suited to a high-dex, light-armor fellow. (And your post officially became Awesome when you used the phrase, "He buckles his swash.") This could be handled with Dex checks and/or a better, less munchkin Dodge feat. Knows the legends of the land, knows the tales of monsters and whatnot? So do most adventurers. They are sort of known for it. In fact, it is how they earn their living. There really isn't a need to build a whole class around this either; a simple History check would work for most cases, or it could just be handled as an assumption behind the scenes. I like your ideas, and the character you describe would be a lot of fun to play...but I'm still not convinced that it needs to be its own class. IMO, it could be done effectively and easily with a simple high-Charisma fighter or rogue. The skill effects that you mention (like granting bonuses to others in the party) could be handled with a talent tree, feat chain, or whatever they are calling them in 4E. In conclusion, [IMG]http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5402/479/1600/bard.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE]
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