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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Seeten" data-source="post: 1972118" data-attributes="member: 27186">I agree with Fusangite in large degree. Although he is more concerned with feel, and I am more concerned with choices, the fact remains the monk sticks out like a sore thumb. Yes, the monk gives you cool powers at every level. Unfortunately, it also strait jackets you into being just like every other monk. PrC's for monk make you an un-monk and are thus non-viable to me. But what it does not do is provide you with choices, and options, which is what everyone else seems to be clamoring for. Yes, it is a choice to make a bare fisted wandering ascetic, but its just as much a choice to make a fighter who looks like this:BAB Full   Fort Full Refl  poor  Will Poor Starting Proficiencies: All Armor Weapon: Broadsword, simple weapons1: Power Attack2: Cleave4: Weapon Focus6: Weapon Spec8: Improved Critical10: Power Critical12: Greater Weapon Focus14: Greater Weapon Spec16: Great Fortitude18: Improved Toughness20: Iron WillThat makes a specific Character that might be cool to play. Hey, I am all for new options, lets make it a core class.Here is the cool part tho: Lets call it a Fighter. Now, all fighters are this guy.  You want to use a bow? Hey Cool, use your level 3 feat to select it, the base class only uses the Broadsword, sorry.  Got a character idea for a guy who uses a sword, but isnt the above guy? Get ridiculed on the boards. This Fighter is fine. Swords are cool. You get cool powers. Whats wrong with you?D&D Core is now supposed to be about options. So give me some. How about I can take Diamond Soul or New and Improved beat you up with my fist power.Abundant Step or Kick you in the face?Improved Movement, or improved hide/move silent?one of a million other ideas I could easily come up with.How about Monk as Ninja, where instead of all the ascetic "powers" you select stealthy ones. Monk as Pugilist, where you get additional punching skill in return for not getting your diamonds, and steps and dimdoors. All these things are legitimate unarmored fighter concepts. Ninja uses weapons and fists both. Just like monk, including many of the same weapons.  The class isnt awful, its just a strait jacket. It would not be hard to give it choices tho.How about something like 7 different monk special ability sets. This way, you can set them up from level 1-20 as current, for several different flavors? Ninja Set, Crouching Tiger Set, Monk Set, Mystic Set, Jet Li Set, Western Bare Knuckle Set, etc.</blockquote>

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