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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 1972271" data-attributes="member: 957">They do.  You pointed out your experience and I pointed out mine.  I didn't claim they need match.Actually, that has been well and thoroughly disputed throughout this thread.  Do you use the Christian monotheism in your campaigns?  If yes, you have changed the base assumptions in a way that WotC may not reasonably be expected to cater to.If no, you have already completely overwhelmed any cultural significance in the historic monk.Wow!   So you really are saying that unless they cater to you they should take away from me.  And that is based on the de-bunked claim that the Monk is exclusively Oriental.  I can't see how I can even begin to accept that.  It is all simply a matter of putting your imagination to work.  If the shaman required a fetish to cast spells and he lost it then he wouldn't be able to cast spells.  If (and when) I do shaman who do not require such, then I use sorcerers.  Piece of cake. That TOTALLY misses the point.  The mechanics do not have any nagtional identity.  If the FLAVOR doesn't fit a given idea than don't pick that spell.  How hard is that?In a D&D version of fuedal Japan a holy chosen warrior (who may or may not formally be a Samurai) could easily have the powers equivalent to a paladin.  You will just need to use some imagination to change the flavor of those abilities so that they fit.  I've never seen the need to do so.  But I don't see why it could not be done.Misrepresenting what I said doesn't get you anywhere.  It just makes you look desparate.  You said that the archetypes are to rooted in Europe to model other cultures.  That is what I called out as wrong.  I did not say a single word about your enjoyment.  Claiming that I did is nothing less than dishonest.Simply proclaiming the mechanics to be "European things" doesn't make it true.  If you want to try to convince yourself that I can't provide the level of cultural feel that you can then knock yourself out.  It doesn't change reality.Nope, not at all.  Not all wizards are clones, nor are all Shaman.  Are you now claiming culturals are monolithic?  No, just pointing out that you were.Again, misrepresenting what I do doesn't have any bearing on reality.If thats all you got then you don't have much to offer.And back to the beginning we go.....</blockquote>

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