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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5255667" data-attributes="member: 22779">No, it really isn't.&nbsp; A claim that has absolutely no evidence to back it up is not an &quot;equally reasonable position to hold&quot;.&nbsp; There is no evidence that there are millions of 0e and 1e players currently.&nbsp; None.&nbsp; There's no sales evidence, there's no physical presence and there's no online presence to indicate this to be true.So, no, it's not a reasonable position.&nbsp; A reasonable position would have evidence, even circumstantial evidence, to back it up.The position that any counter argument must be given equal weight is the bane of discourse.&nbsp; There are far too many real world examples that we can't bring up here that show this.If someone wanted to argue that the 3e and 4e audiences of current gamers were similar size, I could see that.&nbsp; Looking at conventions, publications, and online presence, you can certainly make a reasonable argument for this.&nbsp; But 0e and 1e managed to retain all of their audience from their peaks?&nbsp; That's not reasonable.&nbsp; 0e gamers moved on in large numbers to 1e.&nbsp; 1e gamers moved on to 2e.&nbsp; Not all, most certainly.&nbsp; And there is definitely a lively, thriving 0e and 1e gaming population.&nbsp; Don't deny that in the least.&nbsp; But, this population has retained the hundreds of thousands, to a couple of million that it had in the early 80's?&nbsp; Sorry, there's no evidence of this.So, no, it's not a reasonable claim to make.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 5255667, member: 22779"] No, it really isn't. A claim that has absolutely no evidence to back it up is not an "equally reasonable position to hold". There is no evidence that there are millions of 0e and 1e players currently. None. There's no sales evidence, there's no physical presence and there's no online presence to indicate this to be true. So, no, it's not a reasonable position. A reasonable position would have evidence, even circumstantial evidence, to back it up. The position that any counter argument must be given equal weight is the bane of discourse. There are far too many real world examples that we can't bring up here that show this. If someone wanted to argue that the 3e and 4e audiences of current gamers were similar size, I could see that. Looking at conventions, publications, and online presence, you can certainly make a reasonable argument for this. But 0e and 1e managed to retain all of their audience from their peaks? That's not reasonable. 0e gamers moved on in large numbers to 1e. 1e gamers moved on to 2e. Not all, most certainly. And there is definitely a lively, thriving 0e and 1e gaming population. Don't deny that in the least. But, this population has retained the hundreds of thousands, to a couple of million that it had in the early 80's? Sorry, there's no evidence of this. So, no, it's not a reasonable claim to make. [/QUOTE]

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