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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 6506502" data-attributes="member: 6787503"><p>On half-orcs: One of the first PCs I played in my pre-teen years was a half-orc cleric/fighter. For backstory, I went for the clichéd trope of human mother captured by orcs and eventually tortured to death after being forced to give birth to my PC. Brought up by the orc-tribe, eventually he rebelled, killing the orc who "sired" him. I always knew it was a pretty bad story and I guess I just wasn't very imaginative. I couldn't, or didn't take the time, to think of another way it could have happened. It's funny that this issue doesn't seem to come up as much for half-elves, considering the evil that humans are obviously capable of. I think part of the idea, for me, is that an elf would voluntarily give up her life before giving birth to a child conceived in this way. Also some pretty terrible stereotypes there.</p><p></p><p>On a tangent, I suppose this is why Peter Jackson avoided the half-orc issue in the LotR movies. I'm pretty sure "half-orc" is never mentioned in those films, and Saruman's uruk-hai are depicted as just another breed of orc, although obviously superior. Of course in the book it is implied that they are the offspring of uruk-hai and hill-men of dunland that Saruman has bred to create his army. How he did this is not revealed, but there is no mention of the slime-pits that are depicted in the movie. As a child reading the book, my assumption was that this breeding took place in the "normal" way, possibly as part of some heathen rite that the dunlendings took part in to show allegiance to Saruman, or maybe they gave him their daughters as tribute, or both. I think these ideas have always influenced my assumptions about where half-orcs come from. Actually, what I find interesting about all of this now is the implication that orcs, humans, and elves are all one species, <em>homo sapiens,</em> which to my mind is an extremely Tolkienish idea.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 6506502, member: 6787503"] On half-orcs: One of the first PCs I played in my pre-teen years was a half-orc cleric/fighter. For backstory, I went for the clichéd trope of human mother captured by orcs and eventually tortured to death after being forced to give birth to my PC. Brought up by the orc-tribe, eventually he rebelled, killing the orc who "sired" him. I always knew it was a pretty bad story and I guess I just wasn't very imaginative. I couldn't, or didn't take the time, to think of another way it could have happened. It's funny that this issue doesn't seem to come up as much for half-elves, considering the evil that humans are obviously capable of. I think part of the idea, for me, is that an elf would voluntarily give up her life before giving birth to a child conceived in this way. Also some pretty terrible stereotypes there. On a tangent, I suppose this is why Peter Jackson avoided the half-orc issue in the LotR movies. I'm pretty sure "half-orc" is never mentioned in those films, and Saruman's uruk-hai are depicted as just another breed of orc, although obviously superior. Of course in the book it is implied that they are the offspring of uruk-hai and hill-men of dunland that Saruman has bred to create his army. How he did this is not revealed, but there is no mention of the slime-pits that are depicted in the movie. As a child reading the book, my assumption was that this breeding took place in the "normal" way, possibly as part of some heathen rite that the dunlendings took part in to show allegiance to Saruman, or maybe they gave him their daughters as tribute, or both. I think these ideas have always influenced my assumptions about where half-orcs come from. Actually, what I find interesting about all of this now is the implication that orcs, humans, and elves are all one species, [I]homo sapiens,[/I] which to my mind is an extremely Tolkienish idea. [/QUOTE]
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