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Do you allow Bladesingers to cast Mending, Shillelagh or Magic Stone as part of the attack action?
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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9128229" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>No. The specificity there allows you to use a cantrip in place of an attack, not to override the timing of a cantrip. Nothing in the ability specifically says, "The casting time of the cantrip doesn't matter." It's like See Invisibility not specifying that the disadvantage you get from the target being invisible goes away, so it doesn't. It may not make sense to you or me, but that's how 5e's specific beats general works.</p><p></p><p>You can believe what you like, but how specific beats general works is how I'm telling it to you. If there isn't specific language changing something, it doesn't change. Here is the language from See Invisibility.</p><p></p><p>"For the duration,<strong> you see invisible creatures and objects as if they were visible</strong>, and you can see into the Ethereal Plane. Ethereal creatures and objects appear ghostly and translucent."</p><p></p><p>Now like your argument with the Bladesinger ability, you'd think that if you can see invisible creatures as if they were visible, you'd think that the disadvantage for attacking an invisible creature would go away, right? It makes sense for that to be the way it works. It doesn't, though. Since there's no language specifically negating that disadvantage, you still get disadvantage when you attack an invisible creature that you can see.</p><p></p><p>Now in my game I'm going to and do allow you to lose that disadvantage, but that's because I'm homebrewing a rule change, not because the language of the spell specifically allows it, because it does not. Similarly, since there is no language in the Bladesinger ability that reduces casting times, casting times are in fact not reduced. Mending cannot be used without homebrewing a rule change to allow it.</p><p></p><p>Yes there are. Firebolt as a casting time rule of 1 action. Mending has a casting time rule of 1 minute. Since the Bladesinger ability doesn't reduce that time by so much as 1 second, it can't be used with the Bladesinger ability.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 9128229, member: 23751"] No. The specificity there allows you to use a cantrip in place of an attack, not to override the timing of a cantrip. Nothing in the ability specifically says, "The casting time of the cantrip doesn't matter." It's like See Invisibility not specifying that the disadvantage you get from the target being invisible goes away, so it doesn't. It may not make sense to you or me, but that's how 5e's specific beats general works. You can believe what you like, but how specific beats general works is how I'm telling it to you. If there isn't specific language changing something, it doesn't change. Here is the language from See Invisibility. "For the duration,[B] you see invisible creatures and objects as if they were visible[/B], and you can see into the Ethereal Plane. Ethereal creatures and objects appear ghostly and translucent." Now like your argument with the Bladesinger ability, you'd think that if you can see invisible creatures as if they were visible, you'd think that the disadvantage for attacking an invisible creature would go away, right? It makes sense for that to be the way it works. It doesn't, though. Since there's no language specifically negating that disadvantage, you still get disadvantage when you attack an invisible creature that you can see. Now in my game I'm going to and do allow you to lose that disadvantage, but that's because I'm homebrewing a rule change, not because the language of the spell specifically allows it, because it does not. Similarly, since there is no language in the Bladesinger ability that reduces casting times, casting times are in fact not reduced. Mending cannot be used without homebrewing a rule change to allow it. Yes there are. Firebolt as a casting time rule of 1 action. Mending has a casting time rule of 1 minute. Since the Bladesinger ability doesn't reduce that time by so much as 1 second, it can't be used with the Bladesinger ability. [/QUOTE]
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