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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 2442930" data-attributes="member: 5777">There are some character concepts where both the bonus and penalty are needed.Most of the time, every time but once actually, I just dont use them, but I did make a character recently that absolutely needed to have the bonuses because of the bad things I wanted to have for the character concept.So, for some character builds it can be neccissary.Some mechanical flaws are just so massive that they need some other form of compensation. For the character I mentioned above he wound up having a -4 penalty to all attack rolls and had to make a save or be sickened whenever he caused anyone harm directly.Fun guy to play, but in order to be useful he needed a little more in the feat area than he had.</blockquote>