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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oryan77" data-source="post: 6131403" data-attributes="member: 18701">I hate it when other settings try to push their lore into my Planescape game. I don't care if you love the Tauren from World of Warcraft. I'm not allowing them in my Planescape game, dangit. You Warforged can stay out too.Luckily I don't feel beholden to any fluff or crunch. I can pick and choose how I want to run my campaign and what source material I want to use (even in my Planescape game). Other people don't do this? So you just use the material you don't like and then complain about it as if WotC has a gun to your head?This thread has gone on for almost 20 pages and I'm still not seeing what the big deal is. Seems like people just want to bash on the Planescape setting and are using this "it's in everything" excuse as a way to let the world know how much you hate Planescape, it's art, the cant, etc, etc. It's the same old complaints every time. When do you ever see someone mention how much the 1e art sucks? I mean really, 1e art is terrible. But nobody brings up how they hate Greyhawk cause the art looks like Gumby wearing armor. The Planescape cant is nothing more than British slang. You don't even have to use it. And anyone that over-uses it in-game just needs to work on their roleplaying. It just seems like nit-picking to find more to hate about the setting. I've never heard anyone say they hated a movie like Snatch cause of the slang used in the script.1. So the "PS cosmology" sets a standard in other settings and you don't like that? What about the material annoys you? Why can't you change it yourself in a way that you would like or use a 3rd party source?2. So simply having material that was not similar to the way PS does it would make you feel better? What if that material was worse? How do you know you would like the different material better? Does being different simply make it better? 3. Let's be honest here, does it really even matter? How much of this sort of material has a big impact on an actual session? I've been playing D&D for 15 years and outside of all of the hacking & slashing, roleplaying, and saving the world, I've never once seen players give a crap about the way the cosmology worked in the game. I've never seen a DM feel restricted & throw up his hands in defeat because he couldn't create session material due to the cosmology he was forced to use.The closest anyone ever comes is when a Paladin thinks he has to be Lawful Stupid or a Rogue has to be Chaotic Dumb because they have a one-tracked mindset on how an alignment should be played. And I don't blame the system or the setting on that. But as far as alignments of planes and what planes exist and how they relate to the rest of the multiverse? Nope, I've never seen a player care in any campaign and I have never seen such material cause any sort of impact on how the game plays out.No, this thread seems to exist just to state your hate and act like you have a legit (passive-aggressive) reason to back up your issues. It just seems like a sly way to troll and get a reaction.</blockquote>

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