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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6133921" data-attributes="member: 42582">[MENTION=23935]Nagol[/MENTION] has given a page reference - in my edition (without Cthulhu or Elric) it is p 114. The Plane of Shadow is described as coexistent with the Prime Material Plane, a shadow cast by the Prime due to the meeting of light (positive material) and dark (negative material).The MoP redescribed it as a demiplane within the Ethereal (other demiplanes were Time, Electro-magnetism and Imprisonment). I don't know how 2nd ed AD&D treated it, but 3E had it as coexistent with the Prime but also able to be used to travel from cosmology to cosmology.In some ways the 4e treatment of it as the Shadowfell goes back to the idea of being coexistent with the Prime; but the treatment of it as the plane of death and undeath is new.You might not agree with the designers, but their explanations in W&M, of why they changed elements of lore in the way they did, aren't "rationalisations" - self-deluding explanations of subconsciously motivated behaviour. They are perfectly reasonable and professional explanations of what sort of RPG play they think the changed story elements will support.You may not agree with their analysis. You may not like the sort of play they are intendeding to support via their changes. But their reasons are clearly stated. They are not rationalisations.I wasn't meaning to shroud my liking of the 4e lore, and my preference for it over Planescape. Hopefully I've just removed any such uncertainty.But as far as I know it is not edition-warring to express a liking for, and a preference for, 4e's cosmology.</blockquote>

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