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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 6136045" data-attributes="member: 48965"> Those two threads are not the whole of D&D 4e fans... As to your other two points, I think you're missing the fact that Planescape is "good" lore for many.I agree with your first assertion and it's one of the reasons I am undecided on whether I think all lore should be excised from core or not. As to your second point I agree again, but as long as the lore is easily ignored or changed I don't see the issue. Maybe I'm mis-remembering but I don't recall Planescape specific lore in 2e and 3e being overly prevalent (outside of the campaign specific material) or being something that couldn't be ignored in the core books. Are there any examples of this (in the actual corebooks) that you or anyone else that want Planescape lore kept out of core could provide? If new lore is created it invalidates games... so that's really a non-point, it's going to happen regardless if any specific lore is chosen. Now the problem is that "good" as a standard is subjective... and while the poll is hardly exact data it does show a leaning towards D&D players enjoying or at least not caring that the traditional Planescape lore be used. I'm sorry but "Hussar doesn't like it" is also not a valid reason to auto-change things or force change for changes sake and that's really the heart of the matter.</blockquote>