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Message: <blockquote data-quote="billd91" data-source="post: 6136566" data-attributes="member: 3400">But it's not just Planescape. There are a lot of people who weren't exactly thrilled with quite a few other changes in the lore when 4e's Monster Manual came out. I wondered what the hell happened to storm giants and wasn't thrilled with the change from gentle goodly sorts to brutal, scheming badasses. And the side of good wasn't exactly bolstered by turning unicorns unaligned either. There was backlash against those changes as well because WotC was changing the nature of things that had been relatively consistent... for what purpose? To give the presumably non-evil PCs more things to fight? I don't know. You keep coming back to this being a Planescape thing, pouncing on any example of a bit of Planescape lore that comes up as if that's your proof of Planescape's "special" nature in this regard. But there are pervasive examples of this, and not limited to just lore too, but also rules, depending on what the complainant finds important or particularly vexing. Clerics and Fighters no longer getting the ability to wear plate armor as part of their starting package? I saw those complaints - and for some people, it contradicts their image of those classes. D&D's initial offering not including druids? I saw (and made) that complaint. No donkeyhorses? I saw that one too.I'm not saying that this is solely a 4e problem at all. There have been some vociferous complaints about clerics losing the free heavy armor proficiency in Pathfinder too just as there were complaints about how druids were implemented in 2e and plenty of complaints about the 2e ranger (and 3e ranger) and two-weapon fighting fixations and crappy favored enemies. The examples I'm using in 4e are significant more because they're both relatively recent and came as part of a barrage of lots of other changes, including whole structures of the character rules, and served more as last straws rather than primary complaints. What I'm trying to point out is that this is a broad issue and calling out Planescape as some particularly special snowflake in this regard is really myopic. Change management is a tricky thing because you run the risk of changing the very things that appealed to some of the players in the first place. Or maybe you risk changing so many elements that loyalty to the continuity of the product line is hampered.</blockquote>

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