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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Keefe the Thief" data-source="post: 4768656" data-attributes="member: 49552">I dont know, but some posts in this thread seem to imply that the combat-ability-less thief/rogue somehow led to better/more organic/more creative play. How about going a step further? Lets create a class called the Sock. The Sock is a sub-class of the thief. Short overview:- 10% chance to backstab someone out of combat if said person is facing away, completely unaware, and wearing armor with backstab-able spots (DM decision. 20% if the person is sleeping or dead. Useable once per week. - Allowed weapons: Blackjack, short club, long club, blunt sword, dead cat. - Allowed armor: none. - HD: d4See? This avoidsa) the tactical-ness of modern editionsb) combat-heavy play and allows smart players to think about cunning tactics to fail with. I think this one will be a winner. Next week: we increase roleplaying potential by creating a wizard that sucks at magic.</blockquote>