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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 2958241" data-attributes="member: 5834">I find it mostly uselessI never base experience off of EL. I utilize CR or just make something up. My players mow down ECL encounters that should have been rough for them. I gauge my players, then write up my foes accordingly.Supposedly a lvl 4 Fighter is CR 4 or ECL 4 if alone meaning that 4 level 4 characters should have an average time with 1 level 4 fighter. Against my parties, a single level 4 fighter is dog meat.I hope they overhaul the experience system in 4th edition. I hope they do a bit better job of gauging CR or the equivalent when designing monsters. Dragons are more challenging than their CR indicates when played by a smart DM, and equal level NPCs are much less challenging than their CR. For example, a lvl 14 Fighter is not a harder challenge than a CR 11 Dragon.</blockquote>