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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Goobermunch" data-source="post: 814858" data-attributes="member: 10516">I've posted this elsewhere, but I think the points are valid, so I'll share them here.I voted in the Weak category, and based on this analysis, I think that's a fair assessment.Please excuse my rambliness.  I've got a headcold from hell and NyQuil is my lord and savior.That said, I've been reading a lot of complaining about the Mystic Theurge.  I've also seen a number of analyses comparing the MT to a high level caster.I'm going to suggest a different analysis.  I think the MT is under powered.  I say this, because I can get all of the benefits (and more) with a single feat.  That feat of course, is leadership.Let's start with the big downside of your MT: you combine the spellcasting power of two classes with one set of hitpoints and one physical location.  Anything that takes you out deprives your party of all of your goodness.At 7th level, when you can first take this class, you've got all the juice of a 4th level wizard and a 4th level cleric.At 7th level, I've had leadership for a level and can have a cohort of up to 6th level.  This means that my 7th level sorceror can bring his friendly 6th level cleric along with him. Advantage: Leadership.At 12th level, you're casting as a 9th level cleric and a 9th level wizard.I'm casting as a 12th level sorceror and my cleric pal is still cruising along one level behind me . . . with all his unadulterated cleric hitpoints and BAB intact.At 16th level, you're casting as 13th level cleric and a 13th level wizard.  At best, you're getting two spells off each round.At 16th level, I'm a brutishly powerful 16th level sorceror.  My cleric friend is respectably 15th level.  We're casting between 2-4 spells each round.  That is, of course, assuming my cleric friend isn't an elven archer to boot.Now, hey, wait a minute . . . you're saying.  My MT can take leadership too.  At 16th level, I can bring a 15th level caster along with me.To which your party should respond . . . sure, but then, why are we dragging you along . . . we'll just hire the 15th level caster and convince him to take a cohort!  And even then, your party is ahead of the game.Viewed in this light, I really don't think the MT is all that great!--G</blockquote>

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