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Message: <blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5438708" data-attributes="member: 35909">I think most of the bleeding off to 4E has already happened, a few will still switch, but it is a very small trickle at this point, easy to counteract with a modest influx of new players.  Which...WotC is trying its hardest to prevent. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />If anything's killing 3E to the point of leaving it as a dried out husk, it's Pathfinder.  A lot of people consider the two games basically synonymous and thus any transitions from 3E to PF isn't a true "loss."  But for me and a rapidly diminishing group of others, it is a bad thing.  I'll play PF, it's an ok game and close to 3E.  But there are so many annoying little glitches and problems and oversights, and thus far my experience has been DMs are unwilling to houserule with some common sense to fix them.  It may just be little things, but little things matter, and in enough abundance sour one's impression of the entire game.  I have almost a catch phrase, "The more I learn about Pathfinder, the less I like it."  Referring to all the hidden little changes from 3E that aren't immediately obvious sometimes.This massive bleeding has affecting me greatly, as among the handful of friends I play with the most, and have for years, all seem to prefer PF to 3E.  One of them in fact claims (paraphrasing, forgot his exact words) that PF is so perfect, that he could not go back to 3E, even though he enjoyed playing it for many years, because the PF rules have spoiled him.  Or something like that.  Which means if I want a 3E game with them, I have to DM it, because they'd do PF.  Further, I'm noticing less "advertised" games (on gamers seeking gamers and other places) for 3E, in favor of PF.  It's very disheartening to say the least.All of this being IME, IMHO, etc...</blockquote>

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