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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 5445222" data-attributes="member: 95493">I agree with above statements about PF and 4e.I think what most of us 3.5 people really wanted was a fix, a 4e that resembled more of a change from 3.0 to 3.5 than from 2e to 3e. Pathfinder has fixed a lot of core issues many of us had with 3.5. Now, its not so much I refuse to play 3.5 but like was previous said I feel spoiled by PF. I have opened up my PF games to select 3e books but I really don't like the statements we hear about 3e dying because of it.Stagnation will lead to the end of a system eventually, yes people will refuse to move on to anything new but the system will not grow and it will remain the same. If you are playing 3.5 and want to get more material I don't see what the harm is in accepting PF sources. Either take the new material and incorporate it or don't its no big deal either way.Personally if I were going to go back to 3.5 and run a game, I would make several new houserules from PF inspired rules and go with them. For years our groups had been using Perception and Stealth instead of the skills they were before. I would also use the PF versions of monk's flurry, barbarian's rage and paladin's smite, if nothing else.PF may take people from 3.5 in the sense that 3.5 solely is not going to be played any longer. I don't really see what that matters however considering the system was already abandoned by WotC. If you want to run a 3.5 game then do it, there is nothing stopping you. All PF does is try and give a whole bunch of play tested codified rules to make things simpler and more enjoyable overall. Does that mean its perfect? No. It doesn't even mean PF doesn't create new problems. What does happen is the game evolves and in that way stays alive longer than people refusing to budge from a 3.5 mindset.I say all of this as a 3.5 convert to PF. I remember being annoyed when I heard 3.5 was getting dropped by WotC for 4e and I wasn't thrilled by the play-test version of PF when I saw that too. It wasn't until a friend of mine got the core for PF and actually showed me some changes that I started to convert and take things at their face value.Like I said, if I went back to 3.5 I would take a lot of changes from PF with me. There are a number of things that bug me, overall increase of power in the base classes included. But its not enough for me to want to switch back to 3.5 - unlike what happened when I first started to look at 4e.</blockquote>

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