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Do you have to make an attack when using Combat Expertise?
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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 1247404" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>Bull Rush doesn't use the Attack action; it uses the Bull Rush action, so no Expertise.</p><p></p><p>Disarm doesn't necessarily use the Attack action, but you can take the Attack action and use it to Disarm, which would allow you to use Expertise. (You could also, for example, use the Charge action to Disarm, which <em>wouldn't</em> allow you to use Expertise.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The feat hasn't changed, but the definition of actions <em>has</em>.</p><p></p><p>In 3E, a Standard action <em>included</em> movement. The Attack action was either "move your speed and make a single attack" or "make a single attack and move your speed", possibly trading the movement for a MEA. So at the start of your turn, you took the Attack action - which allows you to use Expertise - and the Attack action meant you could move and then attack.</p><p></p><p>In 3.5, however, a Standard Action does <em>not</em> include movement. In 3.5, if you want to move and then attack, you take a Move Action to move your speed, and <em>then</em> you take the Attack Action to attack - and it's the Attack Action that allows you to use Expertise.</p><p></p><p>So, in 3.5, no Expertise for the movement portion of the round. It can only kick in when you actually make your attack.</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 1247404, member: 1656"] Bull Rush doesn't use the Attack action; it uses the Bull Rush action, so no Expertise. Disarm doesn't necessarily use the Attack action, but you can take the Attack action and use it to Disarm, which would allow you to use Expertise. (You could also, for example, use the Charge action to Disarm, which [i]wouldn't[/i] allow you to use Expertise.) The feat hasn't changed, but the definition of actions [i]has[/i]. In 3E, a Standard action [i]included[/i] movement. The Attack action was either "move your speed and make a single attack" or "make a single attack and move your speed", possibly trading the movement for a MEA. So at the start of your turn, you took the Attack action - which allows you to use Expertise - and the Attack action meant you could move and then attack. In 3.5, however, a Standard Action does [i]not[/i] include movement. In 3.5, if you want to move and then attack, you take a Move Action to move your speed, and [i]then[/i] you take the Attack Action to attack - and it's the Attack Action that allows you to use Expertise. So, in 3.5, no Expertise for the movement portion of the round. It can only kick in when you actually make your attack. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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