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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 6904594" data-attributes="member: 6787503">The most important thing is that you're having fun, but I think the rules support this narrative quite well without any significant changes actually. First, I'm not sure what you mean by, &quot;need to Hide every turn&quot;. Normally, a Dexterity (Stealth) check remains in effect until the hiding creature is found or gives away its position. In your narrative, the mages give away their positions when they attack or when they fail Stealth checks just like in the normal rules (not sure why these checks are asked for, but that's a separate issue). The difference is that you've given them the ability to immediately become hidden again, apparently with no die roll. Under the normal rules, this could be a special ability assigned to these particular NPCs. You could accomplish something very similar by giving them the ability to hide as a bonus action, which seems to be a common enough ability that it doesn't strain credibility that a mage might have acquired it. It's unclear from your example whether all creatures have this ability to auto-hide when unseen, or if it's only these NPCs or only creatures with invisibility cast on them. From your previous posts, it seems that you're of the opinion that it's more fun if unseen creatures are automatically hidden, but I'm not sure why you think it would be less fun if they had to re-hide with a bonus action whenever they gave their location away. They could still do pretty much everything you're having them do, but it would give PCs with high Perception a better chance of locating them, which might be fun for the players as well.I don't see this. One of the main benefits of becoming invisible is that you can hide under any circumstance. Blur doesn't do that for you, so why does it spoil the fun if invisibility doesn't automatically make you hidden?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 6904594, member: 6787503"] The most important thing is that you're having fun, but I think the rules support this narrative quite well without any significant changes actually. First, I'm not sure what you mean by, "need to Hide every turn". Normally, a Dexterity (Stealth) check remains in effect until the hiding creature is found or gives away its position. In your narrative, the mages give away their positions when they attack or when they fail Stealth checks just like in the normal rules (not sure why these checks are asked for, but that's a separate issue). The difference is that you've given them the ability to immediately become hidden again, apparently with no die roll. Under the normal rules, this could be a special ability assigned to these particular NPCs. You could accomplish something very similar by giving them the ability to hide as a bonus action, which seems to be a common enough ability that it doesn't strain credibility that a mage might have acquired it. It's unclear from your example whether all creatures have this ability to auto-hide when unseen, or if it's only these NPCs or only creatures with [I]invisibility[/I] cast on them. From your previous posts, it seems that you're of the opinion that it's more fun if unseen creatures are automatically hidden, but I'm not sure why you think it would be less fun if they had to re-hide with a bonus action whenever they gave their location away. They could still do pretty much everything you're having them do, but it would give PCs with high Perception a better chance of locating them, which might be fun for the players as well. I don't see this. One of the main benefits of becoming invisible is that you can hide under any circumstance. [I]Blur[/I] doesn't do that for you, so why does it spoil the fun if [I]invisibility [/I]doesn't automatically make you hidden? [/QUOTE]

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