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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shallown" data-source="post: 1249432" data-attributes="member: 1368">I would approach the in a conversational not confrontational way and ask. "What can I do with these feats." If he answers I don't know or something to that affect ask why did he approve them. Don't be difficult or confrontational just honest. Say "hey I must be missing something here cause I'm not sure why I have this problem." Also if he is charging twice book price do you get half of that or half of the book price for selling them. If your getting screwed that badly the characters should just start selling items if the rate is 4 times the creation price. You'll make all kinds of money without the risk of adventuring.I think this is a matter of communicating the players expectations and the Gm's expectations. If he has a 1st or 2nd edition mentality I remember my mages making crap all the time it was within the rules just not balanced and within the rules like 3rd edition or instead of balanced lets say structured.I think you should just ask until his answers satisify you and you know what it takes to make items. If you wanted the feats your character should have some idea what they can do. Approach from not I want to know but what does my character know.Hope this helps. I know when I first ran 3rd I had to learn to design down time since I think it plays a much greater part in the campaign than before. Just to be fair to players expectations.In the end if you want to be diffcult you can just refuse to follow his train tracks make camp somewhere safe and that he says is safe and make items regardless of what happens. Of course this solution will lead to a blow up but sometimes that works as well. later</blockquote>

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